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post #31 of 90
Originally Posted by Sandman
GUys just wondering but, what about Columbia

i agree its not to of the line but i have one and they do make a nice jacket

what do u peoples think?
If you happy with it, why not?
or m.b. you just don't know how good it can be
the bottom line (at least for me) is: if you can't tell the difference, why pay more?
post #32 of 90
There is nothing wrong with Columbia. I own a couple Columbia fleece pull-overs that work and look just like anything else. In all reality most of the jackets are the same, they all keep you warm and dry. All you are doing is buying a brand, and thats when you have to ask yourself what name do I want on my sleeve and how much do I want to spend putting it there.

Big Mountains + Cold Beer = Big Beer & Cold Mountains
post #33 of 90
I used to be a "shells" person, skiing in Australia (which can be warm and wet) and the US (which can be warm, wet, mega-freezing and/or dry).
But I found that after I bought a jacket with padding (it was on sale!), I often reached for that when the weather was looking changeable.
So when it was time for a new "main" jacket, I went for a padded goretex one with plenty of vents. Got a Rossignol one (on sale of course), goretex XTR or whatever that new breathable stuff is called with great big pit zips and lots of internal useful storeage. Unless it's a blazing spring day, that's what I grab.
post #34 of 90
Originally Posted by Gate Crasher
Karbon (made in Canada) makes excellent parkas that usually run cheaper than the Phenix and Spyder counterparts. Not as flashy either.
Karbon full suits (red trousers with racing braces and matching parka) are used for the ski school uniform for at least 3 Australian ski schools.
post #35 of 90
I just picked up a Karbon Jacket on clearence for 109 and am quite impressed with the construction and design. It is a Canadian company, but not actually made there. Similar to this one on ebay.
post #36 of 90
I just got the Helly Hansen Verglas Shell. its helly tech XP, their top of the line 3 layer laminate, similar to gore tex. Its an awesome shell-many many features and flawless construction. you'll pay $100 more for a similar product from north face or arcteryx because of their gore tex contracts.
post #37 of 90
Originally Posted by psy
LEWBOB, just a quick warning - all NSAIDs , including vitamin I can cause kidney failure if taken while submitting your body to excessive stress. So take it easy
Thanks for the heads up. I got into taking at as prophelactic, interestingly, from a doc I ski with. Maybe he uses a different ant-inflammatory that isn't a NSAID. I will ask him. I have enough things failing Need my kidneys for a few more years! LewBob
post #38 of 90
I am with GatCrasher on Karbon. Karbon is bombproof at a fraction of the price of Spyder. Great functionality and this years styling is very good. Another testament is that here in the Central USSA region, Karbon is definitely the coat of choice among the racing crowd. Spyder is great gear as well, but pricey. In fact, all of the references in this thread are good, so pick what works for you in price, function, and style!
post #39 of 90
Helly Hansen Pinnacle is an amazing ski jacket.
post #40 of 90
Originally Posted by LewBob
Thanks for the heads up. I got into taking at as prophelactic, interestingly, from a doc I ski with. Maybe he uses a different ant-inflammatory that isn't a NSAID. I will ask him. I have enough things failing Need my kidneys for a few more years! LewBob
I love NSAIDs. They are cool if taken moderately. Too much and well, anti-inflammation here we go. Caspase pathways are awesom, too much...el morte.
(God I am a nerd on skis).:
Back to topic: I have a Columbia Double Whammer. Have had it for years now. It is still great on cold, rainy, snowy, any day. However, I can feel the cold once the wind chill dips below zero. I wonder whether the spyder heavy jackets will be better? If so, which ones?
post #41 of 90
I use a Rossi shell with gortex over a long sleeve fleece, long sleeve T shirt and sometimes a long underwear top. I'm never cold in it.sometimes I use a neck gator if it's windy.

I feel as long as the wind doesn't get in and you have a few layers, you're fine. At least I am as far as torso, arms, and legs.
post #42 of 90
great thread. are there any opinions out there on Obermeyer, Sessions, Marker and Stryke (low-end Spyder) jackets? I'm considering these and would welcome input (I would go for a Karbon but I can't seem to find any in my size, at least not at a good price).

Any thoughts on which makes better jackets (features, etc. nothwithstanding)? My budget is roughly $100 or so.
post #43 of 90
I like the softshells from Arcteryx, Patagonia, and Cloudveil. If you get it from REI, you can take advantage of their extremely generous no-questions-asked return policy. Since most of these higher end companies give you a lifetime warranty, you can return their stuff if you trash it.
post #44 of 90
I'm progressing into proper ski wear. I used to wear parkas suitable for antarctic expeditions. I have also been on the hill at 30 below. I recently from an Eddy Bauer down-filled jacket (with twice as much down as most parkas) to a "FarWest" , "Drizone" jacket. According to the tag, It's got 10,000 mm Waterproofness and 8,000g/m2/24h Breathability. It's great in wet weather, and around 0 C (32 F). I think I will wear a down-filled hunting vest under it for colder weather. Skiing can be cold, you spend a lot of time sitting on a lift doing nothing and the rest of your time exposed to a 50 mph wind chill.

One of these days I will get something other than jeans or other cotton over long-johns for the lower half. Maybe the jacket would be warm enough if my legs were warmer.
post #45 of 90

Thanks for the reminder about REI. Returns there are very easy. Sierra Trading Post appears to have a similar policy:


The disadvantage, of course, is having to ship items for return. But it's a pretty generous policy, if they abide by it, and their prices are hard to beat.
post #46 of 90

Degre7 still the best !!!

Degre7, despite being a French company, made and I imagine still makes the best skiwear. I like Arc'teryx, too, but their stuff is not as comfortable for lift-serviced skiing. I'm still cold in my Arc'teryx Theta AR with a Delta zip fleece, whereas my Degre7 Sano Gore-tex jacket keeps me toasty. With a free-hanging Gore-tex liner (instead of a laminate), the jacket is nice and soft without any stiffness. The company disappeared in the States a few years back but I guess they're back operating in Europe. I hope they come back to the States, but unfortunately the Euro to Dollar exchange rate probably makes their products unbelievably expensive. I've noticed that some of the companies are making insulated jackets probably for lift-serviced skiing such as Arc'teryx' Patriot. Ibex makes great wool layers and pants. Columbia sucks. Their styling is the worst, just like the old bag who runs the company.
post #47 of 90
Here's a good write-up that covers most of the Mfg's and what's in for 04-05

post #48 of 90
Try Ebay
post #49 of 90


I've had the best luck with Marmot and late last season got a new Mt. Hardware Backcountry Recon shell. I skied in the rain earlier this season and I was completely dry. It has plenty of pockets, long zip pits for extra ventilation, and a tuck away attached hood. The zippers are the new waterproof type and work great.

My older Marmot was the same and had a nice powder skirt as well. It never leaked and I wored it for years. The only shell gear I haven't had good luck with is The Northface. Too many repairs for the cost as far as I'm concerned.
Good Luck.
whtmt & Mackenzie 911
post #50 of 90


Hey Ghost: Sounds like you're moving in the right direction. But, remember what mountaineers always say, "Cotton Kills!!!!!!!!". Do yourself a favor and get some high end shell pants. They're worth their weight in gold when you're sitting on a lift in the rain. Names that are outstanding include: Mt. Hardware, Marmot, & Patagonia. Good luck.

whtmt & Mackenzie 911
post #51 of 90
Last year I picked up a Oakley jacket. Orange with white pin stripes on front, arms and back. Jacket is light and at first would seem to thin but... when used with:

moisture wicking performance long sleeve shirt against skin, thin or cold weather version.

a dry fit top short sleeve or tank top for warmer days IE Nike, addidas, etc...

a light weight fleece

you will find that up to about -20C is perfect, lower temp and a sweater or sweatshirt added is all thats needed.

underarm vents are there for those in the trees and working just too damn hard moments or just a warm day.

chest and bottom exterior pockets with flaps. Inside pocket is accesible by only undoing one front jacket flap button then the inside pocket zipper. Great for a walkman, discplayer etc and not have to undo the jacket.

also has a powder skirt with internal buttons to keep out of the way when not in use.

this is perhaps not the best jacket to have in wet conditions. it is waterproof but not meant for heavy rains or lots of really wet snow. you don't get wet but the jacket exterior fabric holds some moisture making it heavier.

I never find myself cold or hot but just right all the time. Isn't that what you really are stiving for, not having to think about it.

post #52 of 90

Marker Skiwear

Got a great all-in-one thing from Marker for only $99 at Overstock. Waterproof, breathable, pit zips, and above all, made for skiing, not mountaineering or camping or boarding. It has a good tight fit but easy movement in shoulders and tons of little, skiing-specific details (a hood that overfits a helmet). Jusy my 2 cents!
post #53 of 90
Originally Posted by Gate Crasher
Karbon (made in Canada) makes excellent parkas that usually run cheaper than the Phenix and Spyder counterparts. Not as flashy either.

Plenty of pockets, a powder skirt, removable hood, zippered vents and flap with a window on it for you pass holders.
I agree with most of what is described above but must offer a word of warning. On a wet snowy day, at least one model of Karbon parka (worn as brand-new company issue by all the employees at my local Colorado resort) demonstrated its absolute lack of water repellency. Several hundred unhappy soggy and cold workers will attest to the utter inadequacy of the Karbon parkas involved. Pockets are great, but not when everything in them is saturated.
post #54 of 90
has anyone heard of SOS?
are they a good jacket brand or not?
post #55 of 90
Karbon aren't waterproof UNLESS you treat them properly with Nikwax each wash. I've worn the full suit with 2 ski schools; one had a laundry where you could go and follow and detailed washign regime (wash normally, put through 2 rinses to remove all detergeant, spin, then put in special cetrifugal spinner, then lay out and squirt thoroughly with company-supplied Nikwax, then tumble dry at setting for set amount of time). Was dry during downpours. Other school didn't have laundry, and sadly, yes, the suits got very soggy.
post #56 of 90
SOS are Australian? At least there is a lot of SOS stuff in Oz. Seems alright, I have friends with the gear and they like it. Has always seemed a tad pricey to me though.
post #57 of 90
You don't need to spend a lot of money. I'm a big fan of a nice simple liner-less (3-layer) shell over an insulating layer over a long underwear layer.

The shell and long underwear never change. I vary the (or add an) insulation layer based on conditions.

The insulation I most often wear is the EMS Primaloft Jacket: http://www.ems.com/products/product_...1052372 76768
It's very warm, very very soft and comfy (Primaloft is basically synthetic down). Very versatile jacket, looks sharp, and is a great general winter use jacket by itself.

It it's a little warmer I'll wear the relatively thin fleece jacket that came with my old Columbia 3-in-1 jacket or a simple 100 weight fleece shirt I got at Wal Mart for about $15 a couple years ago.

As for an outer jacket, go to the local outdoor store and try on shells until you find one that you like and fits you well. Buy at the end of the season to get some great deals. Your local EMS will have some killer Mountain Hardwear and The North Face 3-layer waterproof/breathable shells in the neighborhood of $200. REI will hav similar products at similar prices.

The most important thing, IMO, is to have a nice shell, a nice synthetic long underwear top, and at least two insulating jackets of varying thickness that you like.
post #58 of 90
As for specific recommendations: the Mountain Hardwear Tenacity Light, The North Face Mountain Light, and REI Liberty Ridge (great value at the moment) are all well-priced functional shells. Stay away from anything with a liner.. this adds unnecessary bulk and weight.
post #59 of 90
Oh, and for Columbia.

Some of their stuff is great, some of it is worthless. The great thing is that recently they print the numbers for their waterproof/breathable membranes on the products.

You want something with a waterproofness of at least 10,000 and a breathability of at least 8,000, depending on how much you sweat, etc. This rules out the lower end Columbias. Higher numbers are better.. Gore Tex XCR, IIRC, has a breathability of 20,000 (grams of H20 per square meter per day, I believe) and is a really great product. Pay for it if you can get it. Gore-Tex XCR is worth every penny.
post #60 of 90
LEWBOB, just a quick warning - all NSAIDs , including vitamin I can cause kidney failure if taken while submitting your body to excessive stress. So take it easy.
the "excessive stress" must be well beyond what someone would do while conscious. as I recall from my discussion at last year's ESA with dp, a fine physician, the old Vitamin I is one of the few pain relievers that doesn't have evil side effects. so what on Earth are you talking about here?
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