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post #61 of 65
I think that everyone has not fully grasped what im trying to convey here. There is in fact a difference int he compnents between a sidewall that is vertical and a sidewall that is not vertical - cap or no cap, but typically cap skis do not have vertical sidewalls.

Anyhow, here goes. When referring to the components - im referring to the ski... say in the middle of a carved turn - so therefore a ski on edge. Your body - providing you are turning correctly has a strong force directly into the ski - stright down your leg - straight into the base. This force is then transmitted to your edge that you are on - more or less depending on tosional rigidity. With the vertical side wall ski - the edge is directly in line with this force component, with a sidewall that is not vertical it is not in line with the force you are putting into the ski at all. Also, im not sure if it matters or not, but a stright line is the shortest distance to the snow. How the ski is going to transmit this force to the snow is key. The point i was trying to get at was that vertical sidewall, preferably laminate, skis do this more efficiently because of the nature of their design... they are built layer by layer with every layer being built upon the previous. Doesnt that type of construction prevent loads from being distributed at strange angles inside the ski?

Its a much more complicated problem when you start venturing into the ski, but it does make sense that with this construction you wouldnt be distributing loads at angles other than 90 degrees. With the cap being a loadbearing structure - if it is at an angle doesnt it distribute the load within the ski at an angle? this is the area where things start to get fuzzy for me because ive never actually modeled a ski, nor do i know anyone who has. But, PM let me know what you think, stop the skier mid turn, assume they have their ski on edge at a 45 degree angle... whats going on with a ski that is built like a rectangle compared to a ski that is built like a trapesoid, where the ouside trapesoid is the part of the ski that takes the load (this is the case with most cap skis).


post #62 of 65
cumerritt - i forgot to add - yes i can ski powder and have the tools to do so. I'm talking about a ski on groomed snow or ice. If we were tlaking about powder performance the Stormrider DP takes the cake i think. I'd love the opportunity to ski a pair in some bottomless... but unfortunately in Western NY if you get on a lift with a pair of those boards on you get laughed at just as much as you would get laughed at if you were to show up at Snowbird with a 155cm race stock sl on a powder day... Here in NY the conditions are far different (read far worse) from those that you find in Vermont, New Hampshire, and Maine. I hope you really enjoy those days of fresh powder, you dont know how lucky you are.
post #63 of 65
A look back at the original post "I ski mostly out west...some in Vermont". I demoed the 71 Intuitive for a day on manmade snow/ice in the midwest and edge grip was excellent. The ski performed as well on short turns and quickness edge to edge as my old pair with a 62mm waist with a 12mm riser. The new midfats are just made to handle hardpack a lot better than they were three years ago. The only thing I didn't like about the 71 Intuitives were they felt a little heavy in the bumps.

If you spend most of your 45 days out west, I'm jealous for one, and advise you to go wide with the second pair. The Volkl 7/24 at 83mm is as narrow as you want to go out west for a powder ski, but they are versatile and pretty good on western groomers. There are several skis in the 83-90mm category that will be great in powder and reasonably versatile on the groomers, especially if you like to ski fast.
post #64 of 65
You guys have beat this thread to death. I think you all have gotten away from what the this guy wants. Read the first post and think again what this guy is looking for. I think whoever said intuitive 71 and something in the mid high eighties is right on for what was described in the opening post
post #65 of 65
I agree. Sorry about the hijack. We'll take any further discussion of ski design to its own thread.

Tom / PM

PS - Greg: To answer your questions, I will have to draw up some diagrams and upload them. This takes me a lot more time than my usual hyperspeed typing mode, so it may take a few days to get back to you on the ski construction issue.
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