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Diablo Fire VS Diablo Magnesium

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
Okay ,
I am boot shopping and have a question . Half of the shops tell me the fire and the mag are same boots except for the buckles . The other half tell me the mag boot is stiffer . So, for those of you have used both , is the difference that noticable and is that hot form option worth the extra 100 dollars ?
post #2 of 21
Magnesium has a Tecnica flex index of 100;
The fire has a Tecnica Flex index of 90. That is straight from the 2005 Tecnica boot catalog i picked up today.

All I can tell you is I tried on a Fire (no Mag in 28.5) and compared to my 2004 Alu Carbon it was very much more flexible front to rear. It seem nice, however the sizing is also different and 28.5, which in last years Icon fit me real snug, was too big.

I'm good my boots, but just an observation.
post #3 of 21
Thread Starter 

Tecnica Diablo

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Originally Posted by Gotama
Magnesium has a Tecnica flex index of 100;
The fire has a Tecnica Flex index of 90. That is straight from the 2005 Tecnica boot catalog i picked up today.

All I can tell you is I tried on a Fire (no Mag in 28.5) and compared to my 2004 Alu Carbon it was very much more flexible front to rear. It seem nice, however the sizing is also different and 28.5, which in last years Icon fit me real snug, was too big.

I'm good my boots, but just an observation.
Gotama ,
I know what you mean . I went in a shop today and tried on the 28.5 and I could almost turn around in that boot - okay! maybe not that big but they are pretty big compared to my old icons . I am tying to get me another pair of boots for the soft snow as I am going to sell my Race Pro 130s on ebay - or at least I hope so ..lol. But I think I am going to go with the magnesium with the hot form .

Dave
post #4 of 21
Sounds Good:

Be sure to check the fit.

Possibly a 27.5 or 28 MAx if you feet are like mine.

I have Icon Alu Carbons w/out hot form. when i tried 'em both last year the Hot Form just did not hold my heal in as tight as the non-hot form.

Don't be afraid to have the shop do up the hot form for you. They can always do it again for the next guy. Jusy compare 'em to the non hot form carefully.

Good Luck,
Gotama
post #5 of 21
The Diablo boot has a completely new last and as such fits different than the Icons did.

I highly recommend downsizing a shell size in this boot. The Diablo doesn't fit big, it fits different!

When I say shell size, I trust evryone knows that a 28 and a 28.5 are pretty much the same thing - the stock insole changes, that's it.

On HotForm, absolutely have the shop Form it for you. Once the liner has cooled, take the boot off and put it back on - you will be absolutely amazed how good the fit is!
post #6 of 21
Be careful. A guy on TGR snapped a mag. buckle after only 6 days in the magnesium, and apparently technica doesn't have any extra lying around.
post #7 of 21
Thread Starter 

Tecnica Diablo Magnesium

Quote:
Originally Posted by glint
Be careful. A guy on TGR snapped a mag. buckle after only 6 days in the magnesium, and apparently technica doesn't have any extra lying around.
I have read that post . I am going to purchase whichever boot is at the best price . I am going to sell my Diablo Race Pros first .
post #8 of 21
Why are you selling your race pros?
post #9 of 21
Thread Starter 

Tecnica Ski boot

Quote:
Originally Posted by sunmtskier
Why are you selling your race pros?
I want to go in a different direction. I had the XTs last year and I can say the Diablo Race pros are better but I want to spend more time in the soft stuff this year - thats the only way to get better at it . I may just have the Race Pros modified if I do not sell them but I am getting some sad offers ..lo
they are selling in the stores for almost 800 bucks and people are asking me to sell them for 180.00---hmmm
post #10 of 21
Just cut 'em up a bit..... soften 'em up. Why get new? Unless they are just plain too tight for the shape of your foot and you need a higher volume boot for comfort. Man, those race pros are great.

They have dotted lines on the lower shell for cutting.
post #11 of 21
I have been trying on the tecnica fires and agree, you should look at down sizing. I always fit in a 26.5 but when I tried on the fires it was way too big. I put on the 25.5 and it was perfect.

Quick question, I have been told that the “hot form” is being discontinued and that Tecnica did not see the value is continuing to manufacture them. Has anybody else heard that?

Also I was told that the non “hot form” can still be heated and fit. Is that true?

I am going to buy the fire in a 25.5 hot form but if I can save $$ I may as well
post #12 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phatboy
I have been trying on the tecnica fires and agree, you should look at down sizing. I always fit in a 26.5 but when I tried on the fires it was way too big. I put on the 25.5 and it was perfect.
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Also I was told that the non “hot form” can still be heated and fit. Is that true?...
on the shell - way to go! welcome to smaller boots! they work great.

the ultrafit liner is heatable just like any of the myriad of other "heat and mold" stock liners available in pretty much every boot out there. the ultrafit liner can be put on one of those air heaters that every shop has and heated. this is not a true "form" fit like a hot form or foam injection, but it makes a slight difference in the way the liner feels out of the box. it's no hot form from this standpoint, but the new ultrafit was redesigned to work super good with the Diablo, which it does.
post #13 of 21
unionbowler
Thanks for the info! The shop where I buy my gear said they could order me a pair of fires in a 25.5 but they could not guarantee I would get the “hot forms”. Should I be concerned from a sizing standpoint? Other then fine tuning the fit do they both size the same?
post #14 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phatboy
unionbowler
Thanks for the info! The shop where I buy my gear said they could order me a pair of fires in a 25.5 but they could not guarantee I would get the “hot forms”. Should I be concerned from a sizing standpoint? Other then fine tuning the fit do they both size the same?
personally, i seem to find that the hot form makes for a slightly tighter fit in the diablo. this is counter-intuitive to the hot form philosophy, but it seems to be true. the hot form liner is nice. if they've got the hot form, spring for it.

also, as i've told others, i would really recommend finding a diablo with a hot form liner and forming it to compare to the fit of the ultrafit before you decide. it really changes the way the boot fits. for some people it's great, and you really need to know before you buy.

from a fit standpoint, you should still get the 25 shell regardless of which liner you get.
post #15 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by unionbowler
personally, i seem to find that the hot form makes for a slightly tighter fit in the diablo. this is counter-intuitive to the hot form philosophy, but it seems to be true. the hot form liner is nice. if they've got the hot form, spring for it.

also, as i've told others, i would really recommend finding a diablo with a hot form liner and forming it to compare to the fit of the ultrafit before you decide. it really changes the way the boot fits. for some people it's great, and you really need to know before you buy.

from a fit standpoint, you should still get the 25 shell regardless of which liner you get.
I pulled the trigger and ordered the 25.5’s in the hot form.

When I put them on in the shop they had that snug tight fit that made me feel like I could really work with this boot .

I do have another question, has anybody moved the buckle over the arch (2nd buckle) in order to gain more room? If so what is needed.
post #16 of 21
Quote:
Originally Posted by unionbowler
personally, i seem to find that the hot form makes for a slightly tighter fit in the diablo. this is counter-intuitive to the hot form philosophy, but it seems to be true. the hot form liner is nice. if they've got the hot form, spring for it.

also, as i've told others, i would really recommend finding a diablo with a hot form liner and forming it to compare to the fit of the ultrafit before you decide. it really changes the way the boot fits. for some people it's great, and you really need to know before you buy.

from a fit standpoint, you should still get the 25 shell regardless of which liner you get.
The hotform boots are lower volume across the board. This is because there is extra stuff in the liner. They use exactly the same technology and materials as the omnipresent heat moldable boots, they just have a somewhat better method of heating the foam.

Of course, its only better if you are using the forced air method, not if you use a convection oven. Then its pretty much similar.
-Garrett
post #17 of 21
Demo'd the Fire version today in a 25.5 (wear a size 8 shoe). It was the 1st days on skis in 10+ years...I've been boarding and skied just to break up the monotone. Anyway, these are the boots they suggested and I skied them with a set of Volkl 5 Stars in a 168. I basically did a ton of high speed carving and GS stuff on groomed hardpack at Mammoth. I had a blast.

I thought the boots were VERY flexy and on the soft side which I totally loved. I would not hesitate to buy these boots if I was going to buy new ski gear again...which I'm not going to do. I had so much fun that I'll ski 5 or 6 times a year but I'm sticking with the Arbor snowboard as option #1.
post #18 of 21

Warning About Mag Hot Form

I have not made it up yet to use my Diable Fire's but when I purchased them from a good local ski shop in Tahoe City, they advised they would not carry the Hot Form any more because they said on more than one occasion thatthe heal had collapsed or blown out and they dealt with some angry customers, understandably, anyway, just thought I'd give a heads up, all the locals up at Tahoe say the Fire has been the best so far
post #19 of 21
I'm just back from Verbier after 7 days, 7 hours a day, in my new Diablo Fire Ultrafits. Superb comfort & performance.

I previously had X-Wave 8's & then X-Wave 9's, both in 28.0 but the 27.0 Diablo's fit great so they obviously come large for their marked size so downsizing is the key. In fact my old custom footbeds out of my 9's fitted the Fire liner, although I ended up replacing them as well.

I went for the softer flexing Fire's as they feel the same flex as my old 8's which is what I wanted, as opposed to the stiffer Mag's which felt like my 9's & were a bit too stiff for me (I've been in training since August & have dropped from 212lbs to 184lbs, with a target of 175 - which certainly made crunching those 9's harder).

I've disengaged the flex lock on the Fire's & I reckon that they've got slightly more forward flex movement than either of my Salomons which I like.

What I also really like is the extra room around the toes that I didn't have in my 8's or 9's but with an excellent fit everywhere else.

I'm not too sure on the durablity of the hinges on the upper 'gate' but time will tell. I'm sure Technica will have put them through plenty of accelerated wear tests prior to launch. Mind you it's great not to have your feet 'bitten' when you take them on & off.

Incidentally, I've two pals who both bought the stiffer mags & both have cut them since.

Oh yes, & most importantly, they match my jacket!
post #20 of 21
Just an Observation on the 24 mondo size:
Icons: 287 mm shell
Diablos fires: 284 mm shell

This season I will be in the Icon b/c they are new & I needed an all mtn boot. My xt is too old & cold & my Dobies are for race day!!! I got a Fire after winning a pair of tecnicas & them not having the mag in a 24. The Fire seems a step up for tecnica. the shell seems to fit much better. I have had to do a ton of grinding / fitting on my icons & the plastic just does not want to wrap around the foot well. I have been a long term tecnica fan & can say that the shell of the Icon is quite unsually unyielding for them.
post #21 of 21
I have been a big Tecnica fan as well. However I had a pair of the Icon carbons and I hated that boot. It ran big in size and packed out big time after a half of a season . I could never get that boot to fit right.

I bought a pair of the Diablo Fires and so far they are awesome. I think I may be doing some shell work to mine but that can be expected.



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