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post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
Ok I skied the vaunted Volkl supersport six stars yesterday. So I thought I would mention what I thought about them here. Let me start by saying what I normally ski on, how I ski and what I expected the 6 stars to do.

My everyday ski is the rossi bandit XX's at 184. I am 5'9 and 170 pounds. I love the bumps and trees and do pretty well in them.

We went to killington yesterday, a few trails and a million people. However I got lots of hard skiing in and can feel it today. With that many people on that little terrain it of course bumps up with suited me just fine. Going to killington on a man made snow groomer day I was looking for a groomer ski, something that turned like lightning a ski made for groomed runs. Looking at the demos they had the choices were not extensive, the B1 was an option, I was hoping for a slalom cut race ski but there was none to be had. I saw the 6 stars and figured if lets see why they are so popular.

I expected the skis to be an easy turner. I was on a pair of 175's. What I found was they were not all that different than my bandits. The ski required real power to turn, and did not want to make short radius turns, rather inbetween middle radius turns. The ski rewarded power given with power returned as most good skis do. I was suprised though, I thought the ski would beg me to turn, it did not, you had to work it. My bandits can almost turn as well as the 6 stars and of course are much more stable at high speeds through chop. The 6 stars were excellent in bumps as I expected they would be. In the end I was a little disapointed. I expected to be on a ski that would react vastly different than my bandits but given the conditions felt very similar. This is not to say the 6 stars are a bad ski, I love my bandits and think they are amazing skis. For the 6 stars to ski similar is a compliment. I just think that the 6 stars are not, "unique". They are one of many great skis out there. I am very suprised at how popular this ski is given how much power they require to ski well. I would think the masses would want some a bit softer. This is just my 2 cents on the subject. I would like to buy a groomer ski in the future, it will definately not be one of the 90/10 all mountain expert skis(6 stars, B1)

Alfonse
post #2 of 19
6stars are meant to be skied very short. In 175cm length, that is a lot of ski, especially if you are only 5'9" and 170. That might explain why it took some real work for you to turn them. Hop on a pair of 168's and you might feel something totally different.

I am 6' and 185. 168's suits me just fine in everything east coast has thrown at me. I won't go a cm longer. Most days, I actually prefer them in 161cm length.
post #3 of 19
As the saying goes, everyone has their druthers, and Alfonse's are slightly different than mine. I skied my new 6* over the weekend for the first time and got what I expected and perhaps a bit more. I also ski the Bandits, although mine are the X's, @ 184. Love that ski and it's forgiving character, but they have a bottom on groomers and I can only tighten up the radius so far. Obviously Alfonse's XX's are beefier.

The 6* was quick, fast (eyewatering) and pretty darn fun (175cm). Maybe my need to justify the purchase and avoidance of buyer's remorse colors my opinion, but during clinics and freeskiing on a variety of terrain and snow, it took me all of about twenty minutes to dial them in. Can't ski the middle of the ski and get everything back; move the pressure a little forward to further engage the shovel and hang on, nearly going back up hill. I'm 6-1 and 190 and was looking for something with a longer radius than a SL ski, but that would respond to input. Based on my experience, that's what they delivered. The shorter 161 or 168 would sure be a turnier ski -- that's where personal preference comes in. I'm glad to hear they performed well in the bumps -- we didn't get much more than little push-piles by the end of the day Sat & Sun so my experience with them in that condition was limited.

Overall, sounds like we're more alike than different, but I didn't mind a giving a little more input for quite a bit more output. However, that's why I got the ski. Thanks for the post, A.
post #4 of 19
I agree with regard to length. I skied the 6-stars very short and found them to turn easily. Given that the 6-Star is the stiffer, more cruising oriented ski, I wonder, Alfonse, if you would have found the 5-Star a bit zippier and more maneuverable?
post #5 of 19
Always interesting to read others' impressions of skiis. I'm 5'11", 160 lbs, and skiied on 175 cm 6-Stars yesterday in soft snow conditions. I actually thought them to be a bit short, and wished I'd bought one size up. Its pretty disconcerting to look down and see that little ski below you, especially at speed. That said, I have to admit they are in fact extremely fast and stable at very high speeds, so maybe the sense they're too short is more perceptual than actual. I found them plenty "turny" and had no trouble at all maneuvering in the bumps. I think where I would have wanted a bit more board was in the 8-10" of seasoned, chopped powder. All in all, an extremely fun ski.
post #6 of 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by josseph
6stars are meant to be skied very short. In 175cm length, that is a lot of ski, especially if you are only 5'9" and 170. That might explain why it took some real work for you to turn them. Hop on a pair of 168's and you might feel something totally different.

I am 6' and 185. 168's suits me just fine in everything east coast has thrown at me. I won't go a cm longer. Most days, I actually prefer them in 161cm length.
This statement is 100% correct. Like Joseph, I am 6' 185lbs. I ski the 6* in 168. I use them as my ski for groomed terrain. They are not a slolom ski; rather, they prefer medium shaped turns. You cannot buy a more powerful ski for what it is meant to do. They are nothing like a B2 Bandit. Volkl has a ski to compete with the B2. It is the 724 Pro, not the 6*.
post #7 of 19
......and it isn't really much of a competition.
post #8 of 19
175cm in the 6-star is way too big for you....unless you are racing 'birds of prey' anytime soon -
Go for for 168 or less....the 6 star is basically a race ski -size it as such : )
post #9 of 19
I have the 175cm and find it to be an awesome all around gate ski. I love it in GS when I'm allowed to use it. I've used them in the slalom gates as well, but they take some muscle (imagine that - a 175 is too big for slalom ... haven't said that since 3rd grade). I stopped using them in SL gates after delaminating my first pair (gate impact) when they were only 3 days old.

Most people I know that have the 6* ski it in the 168cm and use it for everything. I don't know if I'd want to go up a size (185cm ?) - FWIW I'm 6'2" 215lbs.

I also have the 724 Pro in a 177cm. Awesome all around ski. Haven't found a flaw in it yet. Can't compare it to the B2 becuase I've never tried them.
post #10 of 19
yeah. ski it short. it's really for all instensive purposes a slalom race ski in better clothes. most people don't need this ski bigger than 168cm. there aren't many other skis other than race skis out there that ski like this. it's a wierd one. but if you get it right, it's absolutely a gas!
post #11 of 19
Thread Starter 
Too be fair I sensed that the ski had lots of power and if I had a silky smooth groomer with good pitch to ski it on I thought I might be able to tap into that power. However most things with pitch were either too choppy, or completely bumped up. I found a blue groomer and got them going pretty fast but did not feel like I was able to tap into the full rebound energy. I compare them to my bandits only because that is all I know. I understand that the 724 pro is Volkl's all mountain mid fat, I was looking for a tight carving ski and think as someone said above I should have skied the 5 star.

Alfonse
post #12 of 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by Alfonse
My bandits can almost turn as well as the 6 stars and of course are much more stable at high speeds through chop. The 6 stars were excellent in bumps as I expected they would be.
Am I reading this right?
Are you saying that your bandits are more stable through chop?
I'm guessing that the much vaunted stability of the 6*s at higher speeds must require smooth snow.

Are you also saying that the skis worked well in bumps (in spite of not wanting to make short turns)?
post #13 of 19
You skied the wrong size.you should be on a shorter ski. The ski is for the most demanding skier who can really bend the ski. the energy out of the ski is unbelievable. If you felt it was the same as the XX, you were not flexing the 6 stars enough. It honestly sounds like you were just sliding your tails out. Try a 168cm and you will notice a huge difference
post #14 of 19
Try The Fischer RX8 For a really fun all around ski. I skied both 5 and 6 star last season and liked 5 much better as an all around ski. felt the 6 was to stiff and to much a one trick pony fast on groomers but that was about it.
post #15 of 19
My thoughts on the 6 star:

Great on steep, hard snow and ice . You can really lean into the ski w/ confidence.

Soft, loose snow over 6 inches: OK but not great. the lighter the snow the deeper they will handle. the weter the snow the less depth they like.

@ Whistler last Mar/Apr: great to sucky depending on the water content of the loose snow.

In New England; Great 90% of the time.

Just my humble opinion
post #16 of 19
BTW:
My Specs: 6", 215lbs, my 6*'s are 168. I think 161cm would be worth a try for hard eastern snow conditions, but I'm content @ 168.

Hard snow base w/ 4" of fluffy powder on top = Nirvana!!!
post #17 of 19

Your mileage may vary!

Wow, it always amazes me how different people have such radically different experiences on the same ski. This is even more apparent when the information comes from a forum like this full of knowledgeable experienced skiers. I’m 5’ 10”, weigh 175 lbs, and ski the 175cm 6 star. I have thirty days on the skis last year as well as one glorious first day this year. I agree that they are wonderful in the bumps, can be skied on groomers as fast as you are willing to go and aren’t much fun in wet boot top crud. However, I experience them to be an incredibly easy turning ski at either slow or fast speeds and in either short or long radius turns. With the amount of side cut they have it feels as if I have only to roll the ski onto an edge and away they go! I agree that the more I load it the faster it goes there but it takes no effort to initiate the turn. I’m also always pleasantly surprised at how stable they feel at speed given how easy they are to turn. As long as you stay on an edge there is none of that twitchy feeling when you are flying on these puppies. I can’t imagine what benefit I would get out of skiing these in a 168cm but after listening to all you folks I think I’ll try to demo a pair. By the way, I ski in California and Idaho on every thing from sweet, light powder to Sierra Cement. I’ve used these skis on everything from bumps to trees to even a few groomers.

post #18 of 19

Tried 'em today at Gore, buying 'em on ebay now...

I was going to post some reviews from my trip today but it looks like this is a good place. Was at the demo day at Gore (NY) today and tried the Nordica SUV 12 and the Volkl supersport six star. The skiing conditions were not great today, ice and frozen crud predominated with little coarse granular piles in the trail making for surprises everywhere. These are conditions they I will (unfortunately) encounter a lot here. My skis (Elan Mantis 662s) seem to do fine in everything, and they performed well even in this crap, but I wanted to demo a ski specifically designed to do well in it.

The Nordica reps pushed the SUV 12 and insisted that it would massively out-perform the Elans, which are mid-fats. To say that the SUVs were a dissapointment is an understatement, they were truly horrible. They felt very heavy as soon as I put them on, and I assumed they would bust through cookies, etc. no problem. In reality, I found them absolutely unresponsive turners at any speed, simply unwilling to turn when wanted them to. Even worse, they jumped and rattled at every cookie and bump with very little stability. The edges on them did not grip the ice and they shook like a garage-sale space shuttle at high speeds. After two hours I couldn't wait to take them off.

I turned next to the Volkl rep and he suggested the six star I had intended to try the Fischer RX8 but they were never available because aparently everyone wanted to try them!). I have to say that everything I hated in the Nordica I loved in the Volkl. I was absolutely blown away by how responsive they were to turning, I just had to think about it and it happened! Tigh turns or wide the skis were great. Even better was the stiffness and stability, I didn't seem to feel the pieces of icy crap I was hitting, the Volkls just blew through it and kept on turning like clockwork. Edges gripped great on everything, I felt like I had leapt ahead in skiing ability just by wearing them.

I'm bidding on a pair of last year's six stars on eBay as I write this (the 2005 are just way too expensive for me to consider). I tried the 168s but I'm bidding on the 161s (I'm 5' 9" so I don't see a problem) and I sure hope I get them!
post #19 of 19
snowboardingRules, you'd love the RX8s, too. Too bad you didn't get to try them...
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