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post #61 of 67
Originally Posted by Si
As an end note, 4 or 5 years ago I had a long conversation with Harald about this point of view. At least at that time I felt he was in good agreement with the points of view I have expressed here, including the improved balance and rythm promoted by PMTS leading to improved ability to more efficiently execute active rotary leg movements.
Having had that conversation are you perplexed by his apparant change of mind as well as his denial that rotary movements have a place in recreational skiing and/or WC skiing?
post #62 of 67
I guess not in any way like you might be. First of all, I could be wrong about HH's agreement with my point of view as expressed. If I am not, then I think what may appear as a perplexion to you, is actually based on different interpretations. I would guess (I certainly don't know as I have not spoken with HH for quite a while about these things) that he is saying that the concept of leg rotation INITIATED at the hip using internal or external hip rotator muscles is of very little benefit to developing skiers and is not something skiers at the highest level do to any great extent.

While I don't want to beat a dead horse I continue to believe that much of the inability to understand some of these differences more easily is the vague and wide ranging use of "rotary concepts."
post #63 of 67
Originally Posted by Rick

I agree with this philosophy.

The best way to eliminate a technical shortcoming is to focus on the opposite extreme movement to provide contrast awareness, and then fine tune sensitivity and movement refinement from there.

That is why I had to go learn to NOT STEER before I could go back to learning to steer... :thumbsup:

It worked pretty well ... or at least that is what I keep getting told....
post #64 of 67
Originally Posted by Si
Many skiers struggle to execute skiing movements while maintaining dynamic balance and rhythm. I think that the primary movements approach of PMTS requires these to a much greater extent than anything alse I have experienced, heard, or read about. This, I think, is where the "body genius" comes in (in a very similar fashion to the way Arc referred to it). A person learing through a PMTS approach automatically finds improved balance and rhythm as it is a requisite to making those movements.

With improving balance and rhythm a skier finds even greater effectiveness of the primary movements. Also, at least for me, I found I could much more efficiently execute active, independent rotary leg movements when they were called for. Thus PMTS helped me to improve my "rotary skills" as so many here are fond of calling them (at least I think that is what they are referring to).

Well guess what - I have never had a PMTS lesson (although I did get online advice from Diana that was unusable for me - because it made no allowance for my disability & need to learn VERY BASIC movement sequences from scratch)...


My balance skills have improved MARKEDLY since I started learning to ski - in fact my 1 footed balance is substantially better & a fair bit of it was learnt just plain old 2-footed skiing.....

& I am probably one of the toughest cases you will find when it comes to learning balance... as a rough guide at this time last year I could not really SIT on a fitball with 1 leg off the ground (in fact when I bought one to use as a desk chair about a year before that I could not really sit on it with 2 feet onm the ground)....

& GUESS WHAT? I was taught the dreaded snowplough & stem christie... :evilgrin:

PMTS has no particular strangle hold on improving balance while teaching skiing....
If you want to try something different - try a staatliche - if you can find an aussie with staatliche you get best of both worlds - non-boxhead with boxhead training...
post #65 of 67

I don't think I implied in any way (and I certainly didn't intend to) that PMTS was the only way to learn anything. What I was trying to do was explain from my point of view why I believe PMTS is so effective in helping a skier to develop skiing skills. I think it's pretty obvious that a great coach or instructor is a similar or even more critical factor in this regard.

As I tried to explain, there is an important role for the "body genius" (not necessarily a good term but the one that was used) in the PMTS learning process (not an exclusive thing!). I think that implies from the start that my analysis doesn't necessarily fit your situation with your sensory impairment. Your situation is quite different, and while I might be intrigued to make some guesses about things that would better and those that wouldn't, it would be just that, guesses. From your description of your experiences (a lot of trial and error) it seems that this has been the general case for you.

I'm not sure, though, that your experiences generally apply for others who do not have similar types of abilities as you do.
post #66 of 67

I'm with Rusty Guy and want to say, very nice post! Right to the point with very good insight to the topic. ----------Wigs
post #67 of 67
Originally Posted by Si
I'm not sure, though, that your experiences generally apply for others who do not have similar types of abilities as you do.
Actually Si I think they apply to many people ... all the none gvifted athletes... it is just that having no natural reflexes it is more apparent why I come unstuck & my learning is a very obvious progression of learning basic movements & then combining same....

I learn no differently to the rest of the world in the way my brain develops pathways to do new jobs.... I just have less "automatic" and more need for teaching - so it becomes obvious the SMALL steps that are often needed.... as I am totally incapable of compensation. (ie the teacher really must be spot on because I will learn EXACTLY what they teach - no more & no less)
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