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post #61 of 82
Oh sure, rub it in that's it's snowing where you live. I see how you are.
post #62 of 82
Sue
There are several dealers in Portland listed on that website. Click the "dealers" button. They're listed by cities alphabeticaly.
Gresham tire is one that sticks in my mind.
post #63 of 82
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Originally Posted by SnowSnake
Ah, I don't think so. I have Pirelli 210 winter tires on my Mustang Cobra. They are excellent winter tires. At least as good, if not better, then the Michelins I had used previously.

But to say they're as good as a summer tire is silly, even if its "almost" as good. They tend to wander around the lane somewhat (like any snow tire I've had does). If you heat them up by driving with "wild abandon", they will respond poorly. I don't drive on the street like an asshat, so I really can't comment much more.

However, I would like to know more about what's available for SUV winter tires.
Of course, no winter tire will perform as well as a dedicated summer high-performance tire. To be able to withstand the heat generated by dry pavement and high cornering speeds, the compound is totally different, as is the void ratio, amount of tread squirem, etc.

The best slalom racing ski will not make a good downhill racing ski, and vise-versa.

Every tire is a compromise and different tires draw the line at a different point.

Do the Perilli's work as well at 40 below in 8 inches of snow as the haka's, or is the line drawn closer to summer-only tires?
post #64 of 82
I run Michelin Pilot Sports A/s year round. With all wheel drive and all the electronic stability stuff you have to intentionally misbehave to slide. Dry performance has been adequate and they are exceptional in the wet. Snow performance is not as good as a dedicated tire but then again I like to turn off the stability control and power slide around sometimes.
jl
post #65 of 82
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Originally Posted by suebrown
It appears to be snowing to beat the band up there.

What more could we ask!
post #66 of 82
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Originally Posted by cgeib
I've had good luck with Bridgestone Dueler A/T Revo's. Got a set for my wife's Mountaineer and they are great in wet and snow. They're on all year long and seem to wearing well also.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Bridgestone&tireModel=Dueler+A% 2FT+Revo&partnum=375SR5ATREVOWL&vehicleSearch=true &fromCompare1=yes
Ditto on the A/T Revos Chris,
Today was day 1 with them on my XTerra....got them on at 8am. As I'm pulling 2nd shift for a while, had some time to go play in the crud that started in the early AM hours. For the benefit of sales to the majority of the public, Bridgestone certainly plays up the highway smoothness of the tire, but rolling up and over almost anything in my way with my 265s today was sweet....:
post #67 of 82
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Originally Posted by Bode Klammer
That's the kind of bonehead opinion that leads to people clogging up the roads when the least little snow falls. Get a decent set of winter tires or get off the road. I'll not only ignore your uninformed opinion, I'll ignore you when you drive your dumb @$$ off the road.
hilarious!

I have good luck in my Tacomama 4WD with these tires raaaaht heah!
post #68 of 82
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Originally Posted by SLATZ
I'm a Nokian dealer. ..... Nokian's test track, .... has winter 10 months per year.
Nokian’s test track is located at Ivalo, Finland. How do you define winter? An average daytime temperature below 15deg C (60deg F)? Because that’s what it would be in order to say Ivalo has winter ten months of the year. They have only five months a year where the average daytime temperature is below freezing. Heck, Toronto has four months a year at or below freezing, so five months doesn’t really impress me.

Did I do an exhaustive search and analysis of weather data? Nope, I just read the information that’s printed on Nokian’s very own publications! If you’re going to do some self-promotion, at least try to stick to the facts.
post #69 of 82
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Originally Posted by Ghost
A top end Pirelli winter tire will allow you to drive with almost your usual wild abandon on good roads,
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Originally Posted by Ghost
Of course, no winter tire will perform as well as a dedicated summer high-performance tire.
Seems to me that the above two statements are at least a little contradictory. I agree with the second statement, and that's why someone had to take issue with the first statement.


Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost
Do the Perilli's work as well at 40 below in 8 inches of snow as the haka's, or is the line drawn closer to summer-only tires?
I don't know how either tire will work in those conditions, so I won't make a uneducated comment. What line?
post #70 of 82
Sorry SnowSnake, I was just parroting something I heard on one of their promo videos.
They do have an excellent product though. I've had good luck myself and have lots of good feedback from customers.
post #71 of 82
No worries, Slatz. Very decent of you to be cool with the correction.
And Nokian's tire effectiveness doesn't really have much to do with the difference between five or ten months of winter anyway.
post #72 of 82
Quote:
Originally Posted by SnowSnake
Seems to me that the above two statements are at least a little contradictory. I agree with the second statement, and that's why someone had to take issue with the first statement.
Point taken. The first statement was hyperbole.
post #73 of 82

Consumer's Report says:

I completely forgot that I have a subscription to Consumer’s Report!
So, here are the results of the analysis:
H-rated tires (speed rated up to 130mph)
1. Goodyear Eagle Ultra Grip GW-2 Note: Discontinued. Excellent 84
2. Dunlop SP Winter Sport M2 Note: Discontinued. Excellent 83
3. Pirelli 210 Excellent 82
4. Bridgestone Blizzak LM-22 Excellent 82
5. Nokian Hakkapelittla NRW Note: Discontinued. Very Good 77
6. Michelin Pilot Alpin Note: Discontinued Very Good 68

Q-rated tires (speeds up to 99mph)
1. Kumho I’zen Stud KW-11 Excellent 83
2. Michelin Arctic Alpin Note: Discontinued. Excellent 83
3. Dunlop Graspic DS-1 Note: Discontinued. Excellent 80
4. Gislaved NordFrost II Note: Discontinued. Very Good78
5. Nokian Hakkapeliitta Q Very Good 77
6. BFGoodrich Winter Slalom Note: Discontinued. Very Good73
7. Goodyear Ultra Grip Ice Very Good 71
8. Bridgestone Blizzak WS-50 Very Good 69
9. Yokohama Guardex F720 Note: Discontinued. Very Good 68
10. Firestone Winterfire Note: Discontinued. Very Good 66
11. Cooper Weather-Master XGR Note: Discontinued. Good 50

I did my best to put a number to a chart that I can't post here.
post #74 of 82
Excellent work snowsnake.

I imagine they rated them on a bunch of factors.
Any chance of giving us the ratings on just go, stopping distance and lateral grip?

BTW I've had my Michlin Latitude X-ice on the slipery stuff, and they seem better than the Arctic Alpins. Haven't seen any deep snow yet .
post #75 of 82
I run Dunlop Wintersport M2's in a 225/45/17, I'm happy with them. This will be my 3rd season and they're still going strong with plenty of tread left.

I considered Blizzak LM22's and the Mich Pilot Alpins but the Tire Rack guys told me the Dunlops were less of a handling compromise for a snow tire. I'll be going with another set once these are wiped out.
post #76 of 82
Update:
I can report after last weeks dump that Michlin's new Latitude X-ice are an improvement over the Arctic Alpins. I drove up slight hills in about 10" of snow, just plowed through with no problem. I felt a kind of wicked joy just cruizing along in my one-wheel rear-wheel drive (not even lsd or positrac) bypassing people spinning their wheels going nowhere (I would have stopped to help, but I had places to go, and was on a schedule). Mind you the Caprice wagon is a fairly heavy car.
post #77 of 82
Quote:
Originally Posted by Ghost
Update:
I can report after last weeks dump that Michlin's new Latitude X-ice are an improvement over the Arctic Alpins. I drove up slight hills in about 10" of snow, just plowed through with no problem. I felt a kind of wicked joy just cruizing along in my one-wheel rear-wheel drive (not even lsd or positrac) bypassing people spinning their wheels going nowhere (I would have stopped to help, but I had places to go, and was on a schedule). Mind you the Caprice wagon is a fairly heavy car.
You the man.

I'm doing the same thing with my RWD open diffed van.
post #78 of 82
I've been using All Seasons for all my winter driving up to this winter. The All Seasons perform good enough to get you through most moderate winter conditions when are still new, but they don't cut it once they start getting worn.

I went with dedicated winter tires this season, Yokohama Ice Guards. What a huge difference compared to the All Seasons. Snow tires have really changed from what I remembered 15-20yrs ago. They are a lot more grippy on snow & ice, less noisy, better handling. I'm never going back to All Seasons for winter driving anymore!
post #79 of 82
Go for the Nokian WRs. I have them on my 2005 Subaru WRX Wagon and they are awesome. They are V-rated and handle well when it's not snowing, which is most of the time. Supposedly, you can run them all year round. We'll see. I had Blizzak WS-15s on my old Impreza L Wagon and they wore out really quickly.
post #80 of 82
Dunlop Graspic DS-1
are an excellent tire

10k miles, and the grip is as good as when I bought them.
they are better then most studless snow tires when stopping and accelerating however they lack a little to the blizzacks in turns.

awesome tires though. anyone who thinks they need studded tires, prob thinks that skis over 80mm are too fat. and is confused by the whole parabolic shape fad.
post #81 of 82
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Originally Posted by pm128
Dunlop Graspic DS-1
are an excellent tire

10k miles, and the grip is as good as when I bought them.
they are better then most studless snow tires when stopping and accelerating however they lack a little to the blizzacks in turns.
I'll second that, I used these last season on a RWD Lincoln. Hope they make it though this winter (should be at almost 35,000 miles on them by April). I'll replace next season. Also much cheaper than the Blizzacks.
post #82 of 82

Toyo Observe - Unbelievable

Dead pleased with the comparatively cheap winter-rated Toyo Observe, which - as has been stated - contains ground-up walnut shells in the rubber. Got 'em for my Civic and we regularly leave SUV's and any AWD's in the dust, unless of course they've got Observes, too. Real popular in Canada.
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