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post #31 of 186
Oh! I want to add my snowboard story....

A few weeks ago at snowbird I was on the cat track about Mineral basin, A slower moving boarder had moved allway to the inside of the track and was facing the mountain.... As I came up to pass I yelled "coming from behind..". I thought I also made eye contact with him .... As I go to pass him He Turn right infront of me (over the top of my skis) my natual reaction was to give him a liittle nudge right off the side of the traverse.... Accidentally sent him tumbling a few feet down hill.... He was NOT injured and I felt like a perfessional wrestler. Watching from behind, Another skier whom I did not know yelled out " next time Im bringing a 12 gauge" Not sure if this is appilcable but its a fun story.
post #32 of 186
Pretty sad state of affairs in our world these days. I don't understand why anyone wants to be aggressive or violent. I prefer to help people that have fallen or ask if they need assistance. Maybe they will pass it on. I hope Mrs. Carbone recovers quickly.
post #33 of 186
Originally Posted by MikeC13
What has been described here is inexcusable!!

I have never seen an intentional act and if I did I would have done the same thing that PM did under a similar situation...

The gang mentality has me wondering whether that type of thing was ever done by "punk" skiers before the days of snowboarding...In other words is it the snowboard mentality or is it the punk kid mentality???
Gotta go with the benefit of the doubt here. I have skied with some really straight up boarders and can't attribute this behavior to the genre.
post #34 of 186
Originally Posted by xdog1
I hate getting hit from behind, reminds me of prison.
Being able to talk about these painful memories could be a first step toward recovery.
post #35 of 186
This all makes me think of the news story earlier this week in which a drunk driver hit a pedestrian with his car and pinned her against the wall. Observers got the guy out of his car and beat th eliving sh*t out of him. I wouldn't advocate it (although I'd understand it) but sooner or later someone is going to lose it and seriously assault the skiier/boarder who hit him/her.

What I don't understand, however, is what kind of pathetic deranged (sub)human would try to intentionally knock down a child learning to board (as in PMs case). If they did that in daylight on a crowded slope I think they would get to see the other side of their gang mentality...
post #36 of 186

Holly crap!

What an idiot! I hope they catch the SOB and put him away for more than a season. Accidents happen but to leave someone injured behind... that I can't understand.

Snowboarders... what can I tell u?!
post #37 of 186
Originally Posted by sjjohnston
I'd like to meet a prosecutor who would try a father for going after a teenager who's part of a group that tried to knock over an 8-year-old girl. That'd be one nervy lawyer.
I would just as soon not meet him.
Many people get charged with asault after coming to the aid of their children.
Some people get charged with manslaughter.:
post #38 of 186
Many people get charged with asault after coming to the aid of their children.
That's just wrong.:

Website for "Older Boarders"


Snowboarding has had a reputation for danger because a large number of snowboarders have been reckless, wild, devil-may-care teenage males.

Fortunately, as a member of grays-on-trays, you are eminently qualified to ride safely.

You're more sensible now than you were as a kid; you know that you're not immortal. That in itself goes a long way to keep you safe.
After "weekend warrior" projects around the house, you've learned how to respect your limits.
You have learned (from experience or observation) that alcohol abuse can cause more trouble than its worth. Don't drink and ride.
In short, if you've lived this long, you've probably acquired the attitudes required for safe riding.
post #39 of 186
Tom/Physicsman , I'm with you on the chase them down thing , I have always ran interference or blocked for my daughters .
I have been hit from behind while blocking and I have chased down and dealt with an offending boarder . The one bad hit took me off my feet and sent me flying , if it would have been my girls that have less than half my weight it would have been a bad scene . As it stands theres a boarder at Fernie that suffered the wrath of
"phsyco dad" and has a new found respect for a person that isn't going to take being hit from behind .
post #40 of 186
When I worked at a hill near Breck, this kind of thing was so very common. I was slammed into on the bunny hill, while standing still with my class on a number of occasions. Out on the main runs I and my students were often rammed from behind on green runs. I was rammed from behind on the main green, practising short turns at 8.30am!
The local habit was to raise the ski poles so they stuck out behind to deter this, it was so prevalent. For the young and strong, being hit was an unpleasant nuisence, for the older, it was downright terrifying.
When on night-training, it was a big mistake to look back up the hill...a truly scary sight. You had to keep moving and hope.
We had a very elderly (and wonderful) instructor who was rammed one day on the bunny hill, and a posse was swiftly formed to go hunt down the offender (who as usual had left the scene). She was bruised and shocked and was not the same for weeks.
post #41 of 186
One thing that can be done is for people to say something to the idiots who come screaming into the ski stand area at the lodges. I can't count the number of times I've seen someone come racing in, way too fast, trying to board up on to the first step of the lodge before gracefully dismounting in front of the admiring crowd. If the crowd would tell said boarder (or skier) in no uncertain terms what an ass he is, maybe people would start to get the idea.

Does this means that I shouldn't feel guilty when I accidentally bumb one of the multitudes of boards who get off the lift and sit smack in the middle of the trail to fasten their binding?
post #42 of 186
Elongated corked baseball bats with powder baskets and ice tips...
post #43 of 186
I've never been hit, but I was in an incedent that my buddy got knocked over and bit through his bottom lip. We were off to the side of trial, deciding on which way we wanted to go next, when some idiot thought it would be funny to ski across our ski tips. He went across my tips then must have lost control enough to hit my friend and send him over causing him to bite through his bottom lip. The jerkoff never fell himself and got away. I never saw him again, but was more worried about getting my buddy to the aid station. I like to think "what goes around comes around" and he'll have his day sometime.
post #44 of 186
I had the "pleasure" of being involved in an incident on Saturday at Stratton. Not much of the mountain is/was open, and there was only one main trail leading down from the mid-station area to the base area. It was a bit scraped off, and was pretty crowded. Only about half of the width of the the trail (skier's left) had cover. As I started making my way down, I saw that there were lots of ski school classes trying to make their way down, and it was pretty congested. I slowed down quite a bit, and was maneuvering to avoid the weaving masses. I'm about 1/3 of the way down, turning to my right, when my uphill ski is smacked into. I turn around, and there is this teenage (18 y.o.?) snowboarder 6 inches away from me. I give him a "w.t.f." look, and he just smirks, and takes off at high speed.

So I take off after him. The crowds/bottleneck are behind us now, so I have no trouble keeping up. As he skids to a stop near his buddies, starting to take his board off to head to the gondola, I pull up right next to him & ask him (very loudly) if he thought that was funny. He says "you cut me off", at which point I explained to him (still loudly) that the downhill skier/boarder has the right of way, and if he couldn't avoid people turning in front of him on a crowded slope, then he's going too fast, etc. etc. He eventually appologized, but not very convincingly.

Hopefully, he (and his buddies w/in earshot) will at least think a little before bombing down a crowded run full of (mostly) beginners & kids. For the record, this is not meant to be directed at snowboarders. I have also been clipped from behind by skiers. Just the thought of almost getting taken out on my first day out of the season got me pretty incensed.

I should also add that I knew my 5 year old daughter was very likely on the same slope w/ this dunderhead (the classes had just gone out), and the thought of this menace endangering her & others of similar age/ability age got me pretty pi$$ed. I'm just glad I'm about the right size to "speak" to some of these fools without getting too worried about their reaction.
post #45 of 186

Forced retirement

Now about two seasons ago, a good friend, Ron, who was the instructor who taught me (and my kids) how to ski, was teaching at A-Basin when he was clipped by a fellow flying out a glade of trees into one of the main runs. At 72 years old, Ron took the worst of it, so much so that he has not been able to get back on his skis, and had to call it quits. Sad way to end a teaching career.
post #46 of 186
This is an interesting thread. I would like to go slightly off topic.
How many of us have not at one time or another come close to hitting someone? I am 54 yrs old and although I may be a little agressive for 54 it is still quite docile comparatively speaking. I do feel that I should be able to get by those beginners that are testing their skills on a slope a little beyond their level.
Last year at Alta, I was on Devils elbow (blue) under the Sugarloaf lift. It turns right half way down and gets a little steeper. There are 15 or 20 small children and a couple adults spread across this slope, trying to make their way down - I didn't see any that were comfortable on skis. I stopped and waited and although it is very wide, I am concerned that I can get by without hitting someone or being hit. I made it past OK but did come close to a collision when one child turned left and one right with me in the middle.
The point of this is that if you are teaching someone to ski, teach them to stay on one side of the slope so others can get by. Watch an instructor at a ski school and see how they stay in a line so others can see where they are going and steer clear.
I've had others say that the best way to avoid the slow unpredictable skier is to ski straight for them and then turn right or left at the last moment, depending on what they do. I don't know if this is a good idea or not but I do know that it can be difficult at times to get by the slow unpreditable skier.
post #47 of 186
I suspect that snowboarders take longer to react to unexpected things. They have to make bigger gross movements, and this takes a few seconds longer.
post #48 of 186
Especially when all their watches read 4:20...
post #49 of 186
I've had others say that the best way to avoid the slow unpredictable skier is to ski straight for them and then turn right or left at the last moment, depending on what they do. I don't know if this is a good idea or not but I do know that it can be difficult at times to get by the slow unpreditable skier.[/quote]
This is one thing I wouldn't do or advise anybody to do , as the uphill skier/boarder you must give way to the downhill person ! If this means coming to a complete stop till it is safe to pass so be it .
The thought of skiing directly towards another person on purpose and turning off at the last second is an irresponsible and dangerous way of dealing with a simple problem . Personally this type of action involving my daughters(or any other child) would be something I would probably react to.
Best practise is to wait , they have the right to be out there as much as the next person.
post #50 of 186
I can say without a shadow of a doubt that straightlining a beginner & veering off at the last second is a pretty dumb idea. Kind of like suggesting you drive an 18-wheeler at 90 mph coming up on a Subaru, & seeing which ditch he flips into when he freaks out seeing you coming. And if he doesn't see you coming, you have a 50% chance of hitting him at high speed, depending on which way you both turn. Let's be clear: the downhill skier has the right of way, regardless of pretty much any scenario you can describe. If you can't avoid them, you are not travelling at appropriate speeds for your abilites and/or prevailing conditions. When it's crowded, you have to especially careful.

I've almost collided with people, so I'm not claiming to be a saint. Last year, an entire family group (10 people?) pulled up to a halt arranged neatly across a 30 foot wide crowded trail, creating a wall of stationary people about 20 feet wide. Needless to say, this was not expected, & I vaulted over a kid who was about 8. I literally had to throw myself headfirst over him to avoid taking him out. Even at our relatively low speeds, my guess is he would have been hurt. I just try to play it safe, & try to expect the unexpected when lots of others are around.
post #51 of 186
Regarding ways to avoid being smacked:

I ski at high speed most all of the time if I'm not in bumps, trees, or pulling up to a canter at a blind headwall. I've never been hit.

I think this is because I do a couple things. You have to understand, I'm adamant that if I'm going to get injured and end my season, I want it to be MY fault.

I signal all of my traverses with a ski pole, especially at Copper going across Main Vein. When pulling into the lift line, I stick both poles out to the sides so people think twice about cutting close to me. I yell "Heelside!" when I'm passing a boarder in his blind spot. I always yell "On your left!" or "On your right!" when passing closer than 10 feet. Lastly, it helps to have sharp edges in order to make last-second corrections in direction.
post #52 of 186
You people need to slow down, smell the roses, and ski somewhere that doesn't approximate I-95.

I've been hit before. Its going to happen. Its unavoidable. Accidents are very much a reality of skiing and boarding.

Reckless behavior is prevalent. It is pretty bad at some places at some times. Avoid those times and places, and your blood pressure will drop considerably.
post #53 of 186
I HATE boarders...I had to crash to the side of the trails once because a boarder decides to stop in the middle of the run suddenly. He just sat down. So, to not collide into him (which I should have done, sticking my skis right up his arse), I had to bail. Second time, a boarder who definitely did not have the skills sideswiped me. Yep, just rammed right into me. I saw another boarder basically took out a 6 year old kid (learning how to ski with his mom) at high speed. After he took out the kid, while the kid was lying motionless, crying, that boarder just got up and left. The Mom was pissed and was yelling after him, but he just took off...Go figures.
post #54 of 186
Just an extension
of the tension
in a
GWB world
post #55 of 186
Originally Posted by philay
Just an extension
of the tension
in a
GWB world
So how come I got taken out by boarders at Keystone and at Killington, both during the Clinton Administration? :

Not everything is politics dude.:
post #56 of 186
hmmm, I have to say it is not just snowboarders but also 8 year old terrors skiing alone. Last year, I was standing well to the side of the slope to readjust my boots when all of a sudden this little kid comes flying down the slope in a tuck position, skis over the back of my skis, and knocks me completely out of my bindings onto my face. As I was trying to pick my self up, I looked down the slope and saw that he skidded a little and fell on his side. He looked up the hill and saw me on the ground...and when I yelled after him, he quickly got up and sped off again. grrrrr......
post #57 of 186
Claudia Carbone is a friend of mine. She also is one of my contributing writers. The collision resulted in a broken pelvis...in FOUR places. She was released from the hospital Friday. Now she's gearing up for an extensive healing process and physical therapy.

Our annual staff meeting is taking place on her turf (Summit County), which is fortunate, since she won't be able to travel. This season, she will not be skiing any of the mountains to write stories. Instead, she will have to write about dining, lodging and so forth...

Some of you know my husband is a ski patroller. I generally feel safe when I ski with him, since people tend to avoid hitting someone with a big white cross on their back. However, last season some teens on skis decided to use our family as slalom gates, including my husband. He put the fear of god in them when he chased them down. Unfortunately, ski patrollers are NOT police. They can't do anything other than clip a pass. I don't know how the resorts should address unsafe skiing and snowboarding. But I hope they do it soon, as there is clearly a need.

post #58 of 186
Originally Posted by magnusPAH
I had to crash to the side of the trails once because a boarder decides to stop in the middle of the run suddenly. He just sat down. So, to not collide into him (which I should have done, sticking my skis right up his arse), I had to bail.
In this instance you were dead wrong. Sorry. Re-read the code. The responsibility was yours.
post #59 of 186
Originally Posted by jstraw
In this instance you were dead wrong. Sorry. Re-read the code. The responsibility was yours.
The code said he had "to bail," if necessary, in order to avoid hitting him. Which he did. It doesn't say he can't be mad about having to do it.
post #60 of 186
not politics
care factor
the self importance of self
with me or against me

the street mirrors the leaders
the leaders mirror the street

A snowboard or skis are benign objects bought in a shop, as too are guns.

What is it that turns benign objects into weapons for asserting ones “rights” to the detriment of fellow humans?

Laws are pretty well useless when the jails are full.

Every winter, very early in the season a thread starts up ….. X hit by X … kill the perp, etc, etc …EVERY winter. We complain all we want but nothing really changes. Ski business does not want the bad publicity, it’s always some one else’s fault, violence is pledged etc, etc.

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