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post #31 of 42

Here are the pics

Here are the pics..sorry if they are blurry, they were taken with a Treo

I have 2 pics for each of the 2 areas the stitching is becoming loose. One is a macro shot, while one is a micro shot for each of the areas.




post #32 of 42
Well, I happened to stop by the REI where I bought it and I was able to talk to a very knowledgeable person who informed me why my jacket may be falling apart. my mt light jacket is the "summit series" which has the gore tex xcr...which is slightly old now

The newer one has the gore tex pro shell, which is newer.

He also told me that the summit series is more like the "fashion series" since it is more tailored towards teens and those looking for fashion. He said the "summit series" just makes sound more appealing towards youngsters..darn I fell for it too

Guess what? He also offered to replace it since REI stands behind all of their products and he can just replace it with the newer one since they don't stock the summit series anymore. I wasn't wearing the jacket at the time (stupid me), but I'm def going back tomm and taking him on the offer.

I also noticed that the material on the normal mt light jacket was much smoother and less 'plasticy' looking. The ashpalt/grey color in the normal is also a diff shade of gray, it is much darker and I prefer it. Also there is an extra inside pocket on the left side...the summit series did not have this...the only plus for the summit series is that there is a stretcy water bottle pocket on the right side..the normal mt light jacket one just has a normal pocket on the right

the velcro straps are much nicer too...i believe there is some rubbery material on there....on the summit series..it is just the cloth and very plain looking..especially when compared with the arc-teryx ones.

Yeaaa..i'll lose that cool summit series logo on the left arm..but i dont care now....that thing is cheap

here's a copy/paste of the new pro shell over the scr

"Gore-Tex Pro Shell
What is it and how does it work?
In the autumn of 2007, Gore-Tex XCR is to be replaced by Gore-Tex Pro Shell, as the latest version of the well known waterproof and breathable fabric. It retains the familiar '3-layer' (in both 2 and 3 ply) construction but the lining layer has been changed from the long-used knitted 'scrim' to a new woven fabric (which is lighter, thinner, smoother, but more durable).
What are it's benefits?
• It is lighter and less bulky than Gore-Tex XCR, reducing overall garment weight and bulk, up to 15%, 60-80 grams in M or L.
• The lining is more abrasion resistant and less likely to 'catch', and so it is more likely to slide over sharp objects rather than tear.
• The lining is smoother and therefore glides over other clothing layers more easily, Arguably this will make Pro Shell a little more comfortable to wear if you only have a short sleeved base layer on.
• W.L. Gore also claim an increase in breathability, especially with Arc'teryx use of skinny micro tape at the seams."
post #33 of 42
Be careful, the pockets on the 08 jacket are not as good, and pocket design is one of my pet peeves with ski jackets. They replaced the core vents on the old jacket with a combo core vent/pocket on the new jacket that does not make any sense at all (decide if you want to use it as a vent or a pocket, because it won't work for both). In the 08, you lose the very versatile napolean pocket that was much easier to access and more weatherproof.

Summit Series used to mean that those products were field tested and more extensively developed. They continue to use this classification on their higher end products, and I am not sure why the Mtn Light shell dropped out of this category for 2008 (but judging by the pockets, it definitely wasn't field tested). Anyway, I don't think your current jacket is falling apart just because it was the older XCR fabric, I think your jacket had a defect. The change from XCR to Pro membrane has almost nothing to do with the quality and construction. If it was me, I would try to locate one of the 07 jackets for a replacement.
post #34 of 42
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Originally Posted by skier219 View Post
Be careful, the pockets on the 08 jacket are not as good, and pocket design is one of my pet peeves with ski jackets. They replaced the core vents on the old jacket with a combo core vent/pocket on the new jacket that does not make any sense at all (decide if you want to use it as a vent or a pocket, because it won't work for both). In the 08, you lose the very versatile napolean pocket that was much easier to access and more weatherproof.

Summit Series used to mean that those products were field tested and more extensively developed. They continue to use this classification on their higher end products, and I am not sure why the Mtn Light shell dropped out of this category for 2008 (but judging by the pockets, it definitely wasn't field tested). Anyway, I don't think your current jacket is falling apart just because it was the older XCR fabric, I think your jacket had a defect. The change from XCR to Pro membrane has almost nothing to do with the quality and construction. If it was me, I would try to locate one of the 07 jackets for a replacement.
Thanks for the advice. I do equally enjoy shopping as much as skiing
(I noticed you deleted your prior comment of whether or not I ski or shop more)

I went to REI today to do the exchange. I have nothing but good stuff to say about REI!!

I do miss the left chest pocket and the sumit series symbol. The gray is also much darker, almost like an off-black.

The outer material also does seem to be softer. I also like there is no velcro for the hand-warm pockets..it makes it much easier to access while skiing.

The left pocket has the water bottle pocket. and the sleeve cuff velcro has a rubber thing on the end making it easier to adjust with gloves on
BTW, the tag says fall 07..perhaps they made the change earlier?
post #35 of 42
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Originally Posted by eyecon82 View Post
Well, I happened to stop by the REI where I bought it and I was able to talk to a very knowledgeable person who informed me why my jacket may be falling apart. my mt light jacket is the "summit series" which has the gore tex xcr...which is slightly old now
I am going to have to call BS on the REI hand. The Summit Series was supposed to be a little "better" built that the average jacket. I have had Summit Series mountian light and mountain jackets. The jacket you describe as being the "normal" mountain light sounds like the mountain jacket. Did it have a powder skirt?

At any rate, it does not matter what model of jacket you purchased, the seams should not be coming apart after less than a week. Hell a Walmart jacket will last longer than that without blowing out seams. REI did right in replacing it. They typically have good customer service.
post #36 of 42
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Originally Posted by matt7180 View Post
I am going to have to call BS on the REI hand. The Summit Series was supposed to be a little "better" built that the average jacket. I have had Summit Series mountian light and mountain jackets. The jacket you describe as being the "normal" mountain light sounds like the mountain jacket. Did it have a powder skirt?

At any rate, it does not matter what model of jacket you purchased, the seams should not be coming apart after less than a week. Hell a Walmart jacket will last longer than that without blowing out seams. REI did right in replacing it. They typically have good customer service.
yea..i was kind of surprised to hear that comment as well from the REI guy...but he said he has never had any TNF jacketes returned before....and has had 2 returned in the last 2 mo and both were the summit series...I guess he is going off that :

the normal one i am referring to is just the mt light jacket (non summit series)..not the mountain jacket which is slightly more $$ and I believe is 3ply instead of 2 ply. This one also does not have a powder skirt. but this has the gore tex pro material..which is the replacement for the xcr...supposedly more breathability

REI did not have to exchange it out for me, especially for a newer model. They could have just told me to take it back to TNF like Dick's Sporting Goods did back in the day to me with some boa lacing TNF shoes I bought. So I agree, REI has awesome CS. No questions or pressure put on me other than what is wrong with the current model. I am buying all my high end stuff from REI now
post #37 of 42
I've owned several TNF over the years, including a mountain light, used both for skiing and backpacking. Would give them a B- OK, not great. They all gave long service, were stout, but ended up leaking around the taped seams, usually hood/shoulders or shoulders/arms. I now have an Arcteryx (bomber, love), a Mountain Hardware (mostly good but fussy pocket design and the main zipper died recently after only two years), and an insulated Spyder for really cold days (also bomber, love). And for the inevitable "they're all made in the same Chinese factory," actually several diff factories, each manu supplies own materials, benchmarks, and design.
post #38 of 42
Now I just have to worry about getting my Denali elastic cords replaced =). I definitily am a happy camper
post #39 of 42
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Originally Posted by skier219 View Post
BeThey replaced the core vents on the old jacket with a combo core vent/pocket on the new jacket that does not make any sense at all (decide if you want to use it as a vent or a pocket, because it won't work for both). In the 08, you lose the very versatile napolean pocket that was much easier to access and more weatherproof.
I just noticed that the core vents are more pocket like...awesome..now i can use 2 pockets (i never use core or pit vents), I just take off my liner. I was kind of regretting my decision to exchange it since I lost my left chest pocket...but Now i just discoverd that I have 2 now..althought it is awkard and you have to get into it more laterally then medially

In the summit series there was no room to use the core vents as storage...I do like the new pocket design incorporated into them
post #40 of 42
Kudos to REI for the great service -- I really appreciate it when the shop assumes the burden/hassle of warranty issues, especially when they don't have to. They could have just as easily deferred it to the customer, which as we all know, can be a hassle.

Yeah, those vent/pockets are a little odd. What bothered me about them was 1) they were kind of hard to get into, and 2) you can't use them as pockets if you want to keep them unzipped for venting (unless you don't mind your stuff randomly falling out). I almost always have my core vents open (because of the velcro flap they can be used even in wet/snowy weather) and I use that Napolean pocket all the time. I wouldn't want to lose the functionality of either feature.
post #41 of 42
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Originally Posted by skier219 View Post
Kudos to REI for the great service -- I really appreciate it when the shop assumes the burden/hassle of warranty issues, especially when they don't have to. They could have just as easily deferred it to the customer, which as we all know, can be a hassle.

Yeah, those vent/pockets are a little odd. What bothered me about them was 1) they were kind of hard to get into, and 2) you can't use them as pockets if you want to keep them unzipped for venting (unless you don't mind your stuff randomly falling out). I almost always have my core vents open (because of the velcro flap they can be used even in wet/snowy weather) and I use that Napolean pocket all the time. I wouldn't want to lose the functionality of either feature.
Well the jacket they exchanged it for had a tear in the mesh lining that I did not notice right away. it looks like they accidentally put up prior returned merchandise...just a mistake.

I went back and I noticed that the Arc'Teryx Theta AR was on sale for $349.99 marked down from $450. The MSRP for the MT light was 299.99, so I was gladley willing to pay the $50 difference for an Arc-Teryx since I've heard so many great thigns about them. This is also the fall 2008 model which is significantly different from the past Theta AR's due to the new pro shell material

On top of that he gave me 15% off due to the trouble of going through another return even though he wasn't suppose to use 15% coupons for already marked down merchandise....so I paid $5 more for a jacket that is much better. The MT light jacket uses the gore tex performence shell even though rei advertises pro shell...and it is 2L....versus the arc'teryx 3L all gore-tex pro shell..this is much lighter too and the back comes down so it covers your rear for sitting on icy lifts

I'm going to whistler in 2 weeks and can't wait to try this sucker out in the extreme weather
post #42 of 42
I've been looking for a nice ski jacket and ended up with The North Face Plan B Triclimate Hyvent Jacket. I'm a newbie in skiing and not sure if I got the right jacket for downhill skiing. I still can return it and get something better. What would you recommend me? Thanks!
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