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post #1 of 13
Thread Starter 
This months Issue of Bicycling has an article about 10 or 15 pages in on liniments cyclists use in the winter to increase circulation and warm up legs... My first thought was whether these can be used on feet. I'm not sure if these are just going to make you tingle like bengay or if they can legitemately increase bloodflow which would technically make you warmer. I think it might be worth a shot

Here's an overview of what they said.

Freddy's Choice: Warm Up Extra
www.freddyschoice.com $18
Uses: Teatree oil, wintergreen and cayenne. Creates an oil w/ warm energizing buzz.
Used By: Our Boy Lance and the US postal Team
Their Call:Good protection against elements, can add more mineral oil if you want.

Elite Ozone Warming Oil
www.elite-it.com $15 SPRAY
Uses:Ozonides (molecules to Boost Oxygen delivery and reduce lactic acid
Who uses: Jan Ullrich and Saeco
Their Call:Absorbs quickly, Smells like "holiday" spices and wintergreen

Record Pregara
www.panzerafarm.com $15
Uses:Muscle soothing/ stimulating extracts... gingerroot, lavender, rosemary, menthol, camphor
Who Uses: Marco Pantini (RIP il Pirata)
Their Call: Soaks in leaving skin smooth but not slick, comes in extra hot

Tiger Balm Red
www.tigerbalm.com $5
Uses: Painkilling and muscle-warming plant oils; camphor, clove, cinnemon, mint cajuput (counter irritant)
Who Uses: David Weine
Their Call: liked the non-oily consistency, get at local drug store
post #2 of 13
Thermoflex liners. Warmest thing I have ever had my feet in for skiing.
post #3 of 13
baby powder and cayenne pepper. That plus boots that fit and dry socks!
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post #5 of 13
I can attest to the Tiger Balm Red - keeps the feet toasty for a good 3-4 hours. I also use it to "pre-warm" my knees, ankles and hips before running, cycling or skiing.

I have also tried the cayenne pepper-in-the-sock method. Definitely warms things up. A little goes a LONG way tho.
post #6 of 13
Thread Starter 
Toes warmers have never done anything for me, I think that there isn't enough oxygen inside the boot to oxidize the iron and produce the heat. For me, they work for a little bit and then go cold, soon after taking them out they start to warm up again.

I'm glad that someone can back up one of the products. I might end up trying that on a cold cold day (if they ever come) here in upstate ny where our runs are short and the lifts are slow...
post #7 of 13
Phil is right on the money about the thermoflex in terms of an aftermarket liner, dry feet, etc!

I wear one pair of socks in the car and then spray my foot with an anti-perspirant then wear a thin wicking sock.

It has been very cold the last few days. I am wearing two different Nordica boots this year. The Beast is a very, very warm boot. I'm not sure a Doberman will work well all day when it's five degrees.
post #8 of 13
As I age, I find my extremities chill a lot easier than when I was younger. Tried all the expensive "solutions", like expensive gloves/mitts, different boots, liners, etc. Those disposable heat packs feels nice but they are a pain. Considering that I am on the hill 4+ times a week, and my family also puts in 2 days a week, the cost of these heat packs really add up.

Then someone mentioned to me: "Cold wrists, cold fingers. Cold knees, cold toes."

There is much truth in this! If I especially insulate my wrists and my knees, I have much less problems with frozen toes and fingers.
post #9 of 13
Thread Starter 
Oh Joseph you have touched upon almost the exact thing that I want to do with my life...
Your body has areas that it looks to so that it can gather information about its environment and act accordingly. It asks your wrists etc. "Is it cold out? then move the blood to the core protecting vital organs. Warm? Then get the blood to the skin to shed some heat." (although thats pretty basic.) We can trap as much or as little of that heat with our clothing.
Combining exercise science and textile engineering, I want to design clothing from physiological standpoint. Yes, companies do sweat management, some even put certain fabrics in certain places at an attempt to be more functional (ie hardwear manticore, marmot super hero etc.) but no one is really doing it from a science background.
So what? well if we try to design a base layer(or other, but go with me for this example) that pays attention to certain areas. The wrist is one of these areas. If we can get the body to think its not 10 degrees out, but maybe 40 degrees, it'll help to release blood from the core into the periphery. you can't keep something warm that has little to no bloodflow...
Why don't you just wear big puffy down all the time? that'll help keep your feet warm (or so my example would say). The problem here is that we'd usually be trapping too much heat and getting too hot, I'm sure we all know what that feels like...
So Josseph, you just mentioned a few simple lines that I'm hoping to make more complex, add more bells whistles and ribbons to, maybe even make some pants with bindings attatched to them so that you don't really need to ski yourself... you clothes can do it for you.
post #10 of 13
Originally Posted by RJP
Oh Joseph you have touched upon almost the exact thing that I want to do with my life...
RJP... an article and a contact you might be interested in. Very cool stuff - good luck with your pursuit.

post #11 of 13
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the article, Its something that I saw in ski when it was published, but kinda forgot about. I tried to contact ski to get contact information on the guy, but they never got back to me. I did some quick searches and didn't come up with anything on him.
One place that I am trying to get into is the US Army Environmental Research Labs in Natick mass, They're the people who did the study on the snipers that he mentions in the article. I had an interview/tour for a position this spring/summer last week, we'll see what i hear back.
Thanks again
post #12 of 13
I was working a race last week, wearing a down parka with a hood. My feet were cold. I put the hood up and my feet warmed! As mentioned in other posts, when the body thinks its too warm, it sends more blood to the feet and hands.
post #13 of 13
definitely true, keep the head warm and that's half the battle. I have also found that too much is not good. It's better to be a little cold that very warm, the body seems to regulate itself better that way. One pair of ultra thin smartwools work for me. I tried using the "thin" and mid weights and tboth times, my feet got colder than they did with the ultra thins. I tried using the ultras on a 0 day and my feet kept warm enough. Same goes for gloves, my hands stay warmer longer if they are permitted to get alittle chilled vs. warm/hot in gloves. The rest of my arm feels chilled.
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