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cold feet, new liners?

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My wife has one year old Salomon Performa 5.0 boots with stock liners. Her feet are always really cold even with the best socks we can find. Is there a better liner that would add the needed insulation? How about heated liners? any good and where to find them?
Thanks, Mark
post #2 of 8

Cold Feet Solutions

There are so many things that can make feet cold in boots.

Damp socks in the morning - put on dry socks in parking lots immediate prior to putting on ski boots

Cold or damp boots in the morning - make sure they are dry and not cold

Boot is not a good fit for foot - custom fit boot

Lack of foot support underneath foot (lack of custom insole) - constricts blood flow in foot due to use of foot muscles to hold foot up in place

Socks too thick, feet overheat, get sweaty, then wet, then cold - buy thinner socks (i wear socks to make it easier to get in and out of my boots and so liners won't stink so bad)

Lack of circulation at the cuff due to overtightened cuff, too much stuff inside boot (ideally, just a sock should be inside the boot all the way up the cuff), etc. - pull everything out of the cuff other than the foot and sock.

there's more here.

these are places to start. a good boot fitter can solve these problems.

of course, putting your foot inside a plastic cooler in the cold has never made for exceptionally warm feet (the things we tolerate to enjoy gliding downhill on snow crystals!).

if this does not help, a electronic heating device like a hotronic can be installed in the boot. these get super warm and not many people use anything beyond the lowest setting.

most aftermarket liners don't make a huge difference in warmth (i think - there are some threads right now here about aftermarket liners in the gear review forum under titles related to diabloracepro130 or something like that). for a boot of that price, it may seem prohibitively expensive to buy a $200+ aftermarket liner for it.
post #3 of 8
What unionbowler said--

There are lots of reasons for cold feet. Most common, IMO are:
1) poor boot fit. Feet should be snugly held in the boot with only one-finger pressure on the buckles that go over the top of the feet. Often the boot is too BIG (packed out liner, bought wrong size) rather than too small, and in an attempt to keep the foot in place the skier has to really crank down on the buckles, which cuts off the circulation to the foot -> cold feet.
2) overly thick socks, which only increase pressure on the foot and reduce circulation as well as retain moisture. I go with thin synthetic socks that wick moisture.
3) not dressing warmly enough--there's a backpacking adage that goes something like "if your feet are cold, put a hat on." Your body will reduce circulation to the limbs to preserve core circulation if there's excessive heat loss elsewhere. The head is a very big source of heat loss.
4) not drying the boots out thoroughly after each day skiing and not warming them (or at least having them at room temperature) before putting them on in the morning.

I would start with these. If your wife's feet are still cold after running through this list, a cheap thing to try are BootGloves, which are neoprene covers that go over the boot toe. They work pretty well. The Performa lining is quite plush and I don't think an aftermarket liner would be significantly warmer.
post #4 of 8
feet cold, put a hat on!

that's a good one my dad said to me all the time up the backwoods of New Hamshah, thea fellah!
post #5 of 8
Originally Posted by unionbowler
Damp socks in the morning - put on dry socks in parking lots immediate prior to putting on ski boots

Cold or damp boots in the morning - make sure they are dry and not cold
One related tie-in that a lot of ski racers use to keep their feet warm: anti-persirant spray, the old-school kind, works wonders on feet that are cold. It's essentially a way to inhibit moisture build-up in your boots. when combined with a thin, wicking sock, your feet will stay warmer for a longer period of time.

I always have a can of the old, trusty Right Guard in the boot bag, and it works wonders.

If you have a tough time drying out your boots overnight, try removing the liners from the shells, then placing the liners and shells in front of a basic fan. Also, you can get devices that will work on the liners without removing them from the shell, though it won't take care of all moisture build-up w/o the liner being removed from the shell.

Then there are those who just have poor circulation in their feet. For them, barring everything else, look into electronic boot heaters: Hotronic, ThermIC, etc.
post #6 of 8
I completely agree with all the above acomments. I would just add that there is an inexpensive product called "BootGlove" that is somewhat helpful once fit and moisture issues have been addressed. This is basically a neoprene "mitten" which goes over your boots and helps further insulate from the cold. It is not magical, but can be helpful.

post #7 of 8
The current, or maybe it was last months, issue of bicycling talks about creams that cyclist use to warm up their muscles and improve blood flow. Its something that I was interested in looking into, I'll try to grab the article and post some more information.
post #8 of 8
This from a real cheapskate---take all the dry liner///dry sock etc etc advise above. These are REALLY good posts with all the right ideas.

If the boots are not overly tight---grab a pair of Dr. Scholes Air Pillow insoles (the CHEAP ones---like $ 1.79) cut them to fit the footbed and install them right on top of the footbed. It will change the size of the boot by less than a half size and you will not believe the difference in warmth, and it feels pretty nice underfoot too.
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