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Alternatives to Legend 8000

post #1 of 28
Thread Starter 
These are essentially the perfect ski for me, but they're also really expensive and in high demand (obviously considering how good of a ski they are). Is there anything very similar to them? Looking for something in the 80mm range (high 70's to mid 80's) for northern vermont and to use out west.

Thanks!
post #2 of 28

the first of many to weigh in here

try the search button for skis like the Völkl 724 Pro or EXP, Volant Machete Sin, K2 Apache Recon, Rossi B2, Head im75, Salomon Extra Hot or Hot, and the list goes on...you'll get other suggestions from other people...maybe look into something even wider (Völkl Karma-ish) - you might be surprised with the performance!

there is an absolute plethora of information on skis of this size on this site already.

personal suggestion: whatever you do, don't buy them short. it'll kill you out west.
post #3 of 28
In terms of '05 pricing, I think the 8000 is pretty comparable to most of the other skis in it's class. In terms of performance, I think only the Recon, the B2, and Atomics discontinued REX come close.

If you don't want to shell out the $$ for the 8000, I'd go with the REX which can be had for a pretty decent price.
post #4 of 28
Elan Mantis 666 might be an option - same wood core, full sidewall construction and half the price. I know a few people on the 662 from last year that rate them pretty high performance wise.
post #5 of 28
Thread Starter 
I didn't mean to come off like I haven't searched through this forum and read what's on here. *I was looking for something similar, and from what I saw, most talk of the Legend 8000 was either specifically about it, or how much different it was than other skis. *There's also not a lot of talk about bargains. *I know I'm supposed to be demoing, but I went to Sunday River for the manufacturer demo days and there were very few 80mm + skis to try, and it's also difficult to get a feel for an all-mountain ski when there's no powder or steeps to ski.
post #6 of 28
Ron,

if you're out east, it will be hard to find fatter stuff to demo. the bottom line is they will all be a blast in deep snow, crud, steeps, anywhere with lots of natural. so, the questions really are how wide do you want to go?, what's the stiffness you are seeking? and how much shared hard snow performance are you seeking to retain?

Dynastar plays an interesting line with their more mainstream skis in that the construction is solid and they ski awesome, but if you ski a ton of days, alot of these skis start to feel a little soft (i know, i know, the 4x4 is a huge exception) - they do require a little bit more of the less-aggressive-equipment-bashing technique you can get away with on the stiffer stuff, but compared to a rossi or a salomon, they are super smooth and refined, more in the direction of the aggressive stuff. dynastars are loved by those at my shop who train for ski season by drinking and grilling - weight lifting is the process of putting a new keg in the kegerator. that said, they are still really good skiers, ski hard and always seek powder, love their inspired by nobis' and ski hard for 6+ hours a day. i do all kinds of painful stuff all summer to be able to ski my stiffer than heck skis well in the winter.

if you can gather a rough idea of the dimensions you want, and then find an appropriate flex pattern, just buy the ski blind and go ski it for the winter. you will learn alot about what you want in a wider ski and will probably end going fatter/stiffer within a year, upgrading whatever you buy now to "everyday" ski status and using your old narrow stuff to make ski furniture to support your habit of buying skis that keep expanding in the waist like an american driving an eddie bauer edition ford expedition.

i personally started with a 184 bandit x, bought a 184 xx a month later, then sold the xx the next season and got an 183 enemy, sold those and got a 188 xxx, kept those and got a 180 explosive, got a 190 gotama, sold the 180 explosiv and got another 180 without the upturned tail, am getting a 185 machete sin, and so on for eternitiy.

as you can see, you will go through skis in this category to find the right one. so pick something you like now and start with it. any of the skis you are considering now will be great. if you like the way the skis you have now hold on hard snow and you want to retain that, use that ski as a benchmark in your search for a wider ski that will hold well in hard snow conditions.

maybe you've got some more info here and i can blabber on further and more specifically.
post #7 of 28
Like folks said, there are lots of options, especially this year. Most are very good, but of differing characters. Give us an idea of the skis you've enjoyed, your weight, your skiing style (e.g. aggressive, prefers speed and GS style turns) and we'll narrow down your demo/buy list.
post #8 of 28
Check out the current issue of powder. They focus on mid-fats and categorize them as: eastern, alaska, west coast under 300 in., west coast over 300 in. if i remember correctly db, stockli and k2 apache kicked ass.
post #9 of 28
Actually, it's a Power Gear Guide that has the reviews. And the Fischer Big Stix 80's are supposed to rock. They are 80MM/.
post #10 of 28

K2 XP - last year's 'Recon'

You can find some great prices on the K2 XP - replaced this year by the Apche Recon. They are just about identical. The XP is excellent in the East - the metal in it helps give it excellent edge grip. The 78mm under-foot width is enough for most deep snow (I had them out to Salt Lake City twice last winter and was extremely happy - ).
post #11 of 28
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Originally Posted by unionbowler

dynastars are loved by those at my shop who train for ski season by drinking and grilling - weight lifting is the process of putting a new keg in the kegerator. that said, they are still really good skiers, ski hard and always seek powder, love their inspired by nobis' and ski hard for 6+ hours a day. i do all kinds of painful stuff all summer to be able to ski my stiffer than heck skis well in the winter.
I work out and do cardio about 6-7 days per week off ski season, weigh about 185 lbs and am 6' 2", been skiing for over 30 years. I love my Dynastar Skicross 10s.

So there you go. I just wanted to add to the confusion.
post #12 of 28
if it's the perfect ski, buy it, simple. with all the rave reviews here and elsewhere why would you seek something else? sorry i don't get it.
post #13 of 28
Just tried my new 8000's in Utah this past weekend. They are fantastic. They are every bit as maneuverable as my old K2 Axis skis but they just love the powder. I skied in 12-18" of powder all weekend and they are so much fun it is almost a sin. Fun on the groomed as well. Did not have an opportunity to try them on ice fortunately.
post #14 of 28
We have some R:EX in my shop in California form last season I think they are $439..

Cheers!
post #15 of 28
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Originally Posted by Clayton
Just tried my new 8000's in Utah this past weekend. They are fantastic. They are every bit as maneuverable as my old K2 Axis skis but they just love the powder. I skied in 12-18" of powder all weekend and they are so much fun it is almost a sin. Fun on the groomed as well. Did not have an opportunity to try them on ice fortunately.
Cool. I want to try the 8000 and 8800...amongs about 4-5 other skis too.
post #16 of 28
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by waxman
if it's the perfect ski, buy it, simple. with all the rave reviews here and elsewhere why would you seek something else? sorry i don't get it.
I wish it was as simple, but I don't have the funds to pay top dollar for a pair of skis. The cheapest I've seen them is $600 and I just don't have that much cash to drop. I'm more in the market for something used or leftover from last year.

Basically the skis that I'm seeing good deals on are the Machete Sin, the Atomic R:EX, and the Volkl G4. A couple others that I think I could get a decent deal on if I can find some are the K2 Axis XP and the Elan 777.

I did get to try a few skis last weekend. The caveat is that these skis are supposed to be for powder and crud. I saw plenty of crud, but no powder:

Volkl Karma (177): Very easy turn initiation yet I could tell at the end of a run they took a lot of energy to ski, very damp. Needed speed to arc through crud, otherwise it seemed like they couldn't make up their mind. Decent edge grip on hardpack.

Elan 777 (176): Carved amazing arcs through crud and hardpack. Amazing edge grip for a ski that wide. Tail was a bit stiff. I could handle it no problem, but I didn't get a chance to see how it treated me on steeps.

Fischer Big Stix 8.0 (170): very light, too soft for me, got hung up in crud, extremely quick, would be great bumps for a moderate width ski if snow wasn't going to be wet and heavy

K2 Apache Recon (174): carved smooth arcs, fairly quick, no rebound energy. This would be the narrowest ski I'd consider because I'm looking for decent (not great) powder performance.

I haven't tried anything else in the ~80mm range other than the Legend 8000. I skied that in a 165. Too short for me, but I could tell it had that blend of stability and energy that other Dynastars have, and they had great edge grip and carving ability for a moderate-width ski. I currently ski on a pair of Dynastar Ski Cross 66's. What I like about them is that they're stable enough for me, have excellent edge grip, good crud-busting ability for a narrower ski, and they have a ton of rebound energy on medium size turns.

I'm 5'7", 150 lbs. Like to ski fast, medium to large turns when I can, but that's not an option sometimes in some chutes and trees, which I do enjoy. These skis will be almost exclusively for off-piste stuff in northern vermont and out west (wherever there's enough snow to warrant using them).
post #17 of 28

Good price for new Legend 8000s

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Originally Posted by ron livingston
they're also really expensive and in high demand
I'm not sure what you're looking to spend (or if you already bought skis), but I just bought some new Dynastar Legend 8000s with p10 bindings from Rodgers in Lincoln, NH (Loon Mountain) for $679. And of course, unlike Vermont, no sales tax in NH!! Live Free of Die!
post #18 of 28
Like the old K2 XP and the newer Recon are the same ski. Isn't the Legand 8000 and the older Inspired the same ski with a diffrent name and new new paint job? I have seen some great deals out there on the old Inspireds
post #19 of 28
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Originally Posted by Utah49
Isn't the Legand 8000 and the older Inspired the same ski with a diffrent name and new new paint job?
You're thinking about the Legend 8800, which is indeed the same platform as the Inspired with it's 89mm waist. The 8000 is a new release with a 79mm waist.

I'd definitely buy an Inspired over the 8800, based on the difference in price.
post #20 of 28
I would try some volkl's or elans. the dynastars are very soft and will not have the best edge grip on the east coast. Find something wider that has a good reputation for edge grip.
post #21 of 28
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Originally Posted by sars
I would try some volkl's or elans. the dynastars are very soft and will not have the best edge grip on the east coast. Find something wider that has a good reputation for edge grip.
In general I disagree. My '03-'04 Skicross 10 hold well on ice. Years, years ago I had the Omeglass II and was skiing MA with no problem on the blue 'snow'.
post #22 of 28
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Originally Posted by Jim S
In general I disagree. My '03-'04 Skicross 10 hold well on ice. Years, years ago I had the Omeglass II and was skiing MA with no problem on the blue 'snow'.
I'll second that. The SC 10 has excellent edge grip.
post #23 of 28
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Originally Posted by nhskier
I just bought some new Dynastar Legend 8000s with p10 bindings from Rodgers in Lincoln, NH (Loon Mountain) for $679
nhskier, did you notice if Rogers had many in stock, say in 178? The best price I've found here just north of Boston is $849 with P12 Lifters. I'm on vacay next week, and was planning to ski a couple of days at Sunapee, but maybe I'll make the trip to Loon and spend some present money >8)
post #24 of 28
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Originally Posted by markdel
nhskier, did you notice if Rogers had many in stock, say in 178? The best price I've found here just north of Boston is $849 with P12 Lifters. I'm on vacay next week, and was planning to ski a couple of days at Sunapee, but maybe I'll make the trip to Loon and spend some present money >8)
They seemed to have a good number of all sizes in stock when I was there two days ago. If you get the ski with the P12, it's $100 more, so $779. (Don't forget -- no sales tax!) According to the Dynastar rep, Rodgers is the number two seller in the northeast of Dynastar skis, so I don't think they will have stock issues. Give them a call. It's Rodgers Ski & Sport (Rodgers with a "d") in Lincoln, NH.

I haven't been to Sunapee yet this year (may be going on Sunday), so don't know the conditions, but Loon had great snow this last Sunday. If you go there instead of Sunapee, I don't think you can go wrong with the snow, especially considering we're getting 50 degree weather in the next day or two in southern NH. Lincoln won't be that warm.
post #25 of 28
Hey! Why not try the Intuitive 74's They're practically giving them away. And they were Keelty's every day ski last year for what that's worth. Can't be much different.
I managed to get a used pair of the 8000's from an instructor who got them from a sponsored friend last year. I never buy skis new or retail. March or summer's the time. If you even wait till after Christmas you'll do better.
I agree with Union Bowler on these skis though- pretty much nailed it- a hero ski. Easy to ski, supple, smooth and does many things really well from bumps (especially) to short turns, long turns, goes fast, carves well, everything really confident and smooth as silk. Not as thrilling as my Volkls on hardpack, but more versitile. I'm waiting for some darn snow here to take them up high and steep to see how they do in powder and such. In the meantime they get an A+ skiing backwards on the bunny hill. My youngest, Josephine, 2, is a skier now!
post #26 of 28
+1

I demo'd them last week. Definitely a great all around ski.
post #27 of 28
Does the Legend 8000 have the same or similar feel as the B2? I prefer a ski that has some flex and it sounds like the Dynastar ski, which if I'm not mistaken is part of Rossignol is a lighter weight ski. I've skied K2's and found them a bit too stiff and damp for my taste. Same with Atomic.
post #28 of 28
The B2 has a much damper feel than the 8000, IMO.
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