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Bode Miller walks the walk

post #1 of 31
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Bode used to say that if he had the skis Stephan Eberhardter had he would win downhills too. It sounded like trash talk until he got the skis, and the tech from Atomic, and got the chance to put up or shut up. He just won his third straight World Cup race, the Super G in Canada.

Can anyone remember someone winning three straight races in three different events? Maybe Herman Maier? The Herminator came close today, unlike yesterday when Bode left them all a second behind.
post #2 of 31
Er... Is it really the skis?
post #3 of 31
yea it was back in 83.
post #4 of 31
1983 was a long time ago. Who was that? I'll guess Giradelli...

Toni Sailer, JC Killy won three straight at the olympics if that counts. Skiing has changed, much more specialization. Sailer and Killy won all events including slalom. Some more recent skiers could have done this kind of hat trick after SG was introduced, but I'm not suprised the last time was '83. I know the skis and prep matters a lot, but if it didn't happen in 22yrs, it's got to be more than wax, etc. Many guys must have skis that go fast and good wax, only one guy is undefeated.
post #5 of 31
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Originally Posted by telerod15
Er... Is it really the skis?
Of course not. It takes everything coming together. He clearly had bad skis in a few races last year, and even his how-the -heck- does -he- do that style couldn't salvage the race.
Bode has won on Fischer (which he called cross country skis), Rossignol and Atomic, but he is raving about his new gear and his new level of confidence has put him on the rampage.

If he can stay on his feet in a few slaloms the World Cup is in the bag.
post #6 of 31
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Originally Posted by newfydog
Of course not. It takes everything coming together. He clearly had bad skis in a few races last year, and even his how-the -heck- does -he- do that style couldn't salvage the race.
Bode has won on Fischer (which he called cross country skis), Rossignol and Atomic, but he is raving about his new gear and his new level of confidence has put him on the rampage.

If he can stay on his feet in a few slaloms the World Cup is in the bag.
True, but he doesn't need slalom points if he's competitive in three events. When was the last time the overall champion had ANY slalom points?
post #7 of 31
Maybe cross country skis are best for slalom. Wasn't he better in slalom when he skied on Fischers?
post #8 of 31
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Originally Posted by telerod15
True, but he doesn't need slalom points if he's competitive in three events. When was the last time the overall champion had ANY slalom points?
Well, last year Anja Pearson won the SL and overall title. And Benjiman Reich was one hooked tip from being the overall mens winner last year, with lots of slalom points, and just a few speed event points. Good point though, with the advent of Super G the the Austrian speed skiers have owned the mens title. I doubt Bode can beat those guys all year but no one will match his ability to win in five events.

Trivia: Who else has won in five events?
post #9 of 31
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Originally Posted by telerod15
Maybe cross country skis are best for slalom. Wasn't he better in slalom when he skied on Fischers?
He had much better SL results on those XC skis, and in 2003 Von Grunigan nipped him for the GS title on those awful things. I heard that he broke so many Rossi slalom skis they finally had to ask Fischer for help.

It will be interesting to see if he has a better season this year. Sounds like his new stance is more like Paulander's than his usual back seat acrobatics.
post #10 of 31
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Originally Posted by newfydog
Well, last year Anja Pearson won the SL and overall title. And Benjiman Reich was one hooked tip from being the overall mens winner last year, with lots of slalom points, and just a few speed event points. Good point though, with the advent of Super G the the Austrian speed skiers have owned the mens title. I doubt Bode can beat those guys all year but no one will match his ability to win in five events.

Trivia: Who else has won in five events?
Aamodt, I love the edit function!
post #11 of 31
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"Aamodt or Kjus? I think Kjus"


Close. I thought they both had. On to Beaver Creek!

LAKE LOUISE, Alberta (Nov. 28) — Bode Miller (Franconia, NH) made history Sunday, winning the World Cup super G in Lake Louise and becoming only the fourth man in history to win in each of the five disciplines. The win completed a weekend sweep of the speed events in Lake Louise, and left Miller undefeated in three World Cups going into this week's Visa Birds of Prey World Cup in Beaver Creek, Colo. Only the great Marc Girardelli, Norway's Kjetil Andre Aamodt and Pirmin Zurbriggen of Switzerland have won in all five events.
post #12 of 31
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Originally Posted by telerod15
Maybe cross country skis are best for slalom. Wasn't he better in slalom when he skied on Fischers?
His problems in slalom are not equipment...user error.
post #13 of 31
So who believes he will be the first American since Phil Mahre to win the "Overall"?
post #14 of 31
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Originally Posted by RiDeC58
So who believes he will be the first American since Phil Mahre to win the "Overall"?
Last year it took 1250 points to win. He already has 300, and many top skiers will be building their season more around the World Championshios than the overall. I would expect if his lead gets out of hand the Hermanator won't be seen in all the GS races. Let's just hope he stays healthy!
post #15 of 31
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Originally Posted by newfydog
LAKE LOUISE, Alberta (Nov. 28) — Bode Miller (Franconia, NH) made history Sunday, winning the World Cup super G in Lake Louise and becoming only the fourth man in history to win in each of the five disciplines. The win completed a weekend sweep of the speed events in Lake Louise, and left Miller undefeated in three World Cups going into this week's Visa Birds of Prey World Cup in Beaver Creek, Colo. Only the great Marc Girardelli, Norway's Kjetil Andre Aamodt and Pirmin Zurbriggen of Switzerland have won in all five events.
My emphasis on 5 disciplines, I don't really follow WC racing. What is the 5th discipline?

DH, SG, GS, and SL are all I know of.
post #16 of 31
Combined. But is it true they reduced it to one slalom leg this year?
post #17 of 31
Combined is the fifth.
post #18 of 31
Killy only had three events to race in, but consider that in the first World Cup, campaign there were 17 races and he won 12 of them: all the five downhills, 4 of the five GSs and 3 of the 7 slaloms. If you leave out the last two races of the season, when he could scarcely have cared, he only lost three races. At Kitzbuhel, he won the downhill by over a second and the slalom by over two seconds.

Girardelli was probably the greatest 5-event skier so far:
17 World Cup DH podiums
18 SG
26 GS
25 SL
Plus a bunch of combined
post #19 of 31
Combined.
post #20 of 31
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Originally Posted by Ganjala
Combined. But is it true they reduced it to one slalom leg this year?
I believe that is correct: the combined is now one run DH, one run SL, both on the same day.

The only combineds this year are at Wengen and Kitzbuhel.
post #21 of 31
Bode is unbelievable. I believe he joins Aamodt, Girardelli, Zurbriggen and Mader in this very exclusive club. What may be a fantastic feat is to do it all in one season. It will be very interesting.
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post #23 of 31
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Originally Posted by RiDeC58
So who believes he will be the first American since Phil Mahre to win the "Overall"?
He will if he stays healthy.
post #24 of 31
more importantly when will the regular media(and sponsors) start fawning over any WC racer the way they do over golfers and pro team athletes ? at one point Hermann Maier had won the equivalent of 40+ PGA events and 10 Masters championships(basically 3x Tiger Woods wins at the time) yet most people can't name him. i'm sure at this point Bode is close the same.
post #25 of 31

Meant to post yesterday, but tech SNAFU....

....prevented me from doing so.

It might just be the equipment and, in some respects, the tech.

As far as the equipment is concerned, with Atomic in charge of the "whole package" of skis, boots and bindings, the technicians are able to truly work on all aspects of Bode's setup at once, not relying on disparate manufacturers to provide their product. Also, Atomic's testing corps is very deep, and they can tweak product during the season without much difficulty (i.e. have a tech-only skier test new SL construction while Bode races in a DH/SG series).

The comment about Bode skiing better on the Fisher SL skis is worth noting. It seems that Bode performs better on Austrian-designed/built SL skis, as he never truly dialed in the newer Rossi product, as Rossi likely tried, but failed, to recreate the Fischer ski feel. It didn't seem to make as much of a difference in GS, as Bode excelled in said event over the past two seasons with Rossi. His DH and SG suffered a bit last season, something that may be attibuted to a combination of the SG/DH skis from Rossi and his speed event boots from Nordica, which Bode now admits were not putting him in the right position over his skis. I'm sure that Bode tested long and hard to find the right setup for boots, and I'm sure that the boot part of the equation was the hardest to pin down during summer testing and negotiations. After all, the boots are the "magic link" for a skier, regardless of ability - perhaps moreso at the elite level.

Note that Bode is only using Eberharter's tech for SG and DH, while he retains his tech from his previous Rossignol days for GS and SL (it's something that required a crash course in Atomic's equipment setup during the summer - obviously to good effect, at least in GS, as Bode has yet to finish a SL this season).

Another note, not Bode-centric: anybody notice that, while Maier is still officially sponsored by Lange boots, he's been racing on Atomic boots in the opening races of the season? I thought his test would merely be at the GS in Austria, but the pictures from Lake Louise show him on Atomic, top-to-bottom. Anybody care to comment? I wonder how this affects his payout for the year, as Lange must be a bit displeased to see their marquee racer on a competitor's product.

Onward to Beaver Creek!

(Also, a li'l footnote: kudos to Kristina Koznick on a 3rd place finish in yesterday's SL in Aspen. The finish puts her in a three-way tie for second in the WC SL standings, and in fifth overall. I guess the newly-independent coaching setup works well for her.)
post #26 of 31

Some Lance guy...

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Originally Posted by waxman
more importantly when will the regular media(and sponsors) start fawning over any WC racer the way they do over golfers and pro team athletes ? at one point Hermann Maier had won the equivalent of 40+ PGA events and 10 Masters championships(basically 3x Tiger Woods wins at the time) yet most people can't name him. i'm sure at this point Bode is close the same.
American marketing is a well-oiled machine. Professional cycling was pretty unknown to Americans till that Armstrong guy started winning. Bode will be just fine (rich and famous) if he really blows up like he could...
post #27 of 31
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Originally Posted by jstraw
American marketing is a well-oiled machine. Professional cycling was pretty unknown to Americans till that Armstrong guy started winning. Bode will be just fine (rich and famous) if he really blows up like he could...
It's an interesting question, and the Lance Armstrong comparison is intriguing.

One note: Bode is already fine, just on European fame and money. He's not in the league of an NBA superstar, but I'm sure he's well ahead of the run-of-the-mill NBA or NFL player.

It does strike me that he could be a very marketable personality. He has a bit of a "rebel" image, kind of like Agassi when he was young and had hair. Shoot, he could probably sell snowboards.

What he needs is a big, broad-market sponsor to replace Barilla (who?) on the middle of his helmet with an eye toward the 2006 Olympics. I don't know if he's a great fit for Visa, which has done the most with the USST of the really big advertisers. Nike would be perfect, if they decide to dabble in a sport where they don't actually make any of the equipment again. A car maker would be good. Ford could line him up image-wise with the new Mustang and that GT thing. Maybe a sports drink. Or beer: that one's obvious.

Atomic seems to be pushing Bode and Rahlves in the US, with the "cartoon" campaign they have going. Interesting that the campaign relegates Maier to a sort of background "bad guy" role. Ski equipment is a relatively narrow market, though.
post #28 of 31
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his new "set up"

<What's the difference in your winning? Is it switching to Atomics?>
The equipment is important, for sure. the Atomics are great but it's not just that. My setup enables to have good balance on my skis...

Bode changed boots, ramp angle,the works. Does anyone know the details? I know we talked about it in a boot discussion somewhere. He keeps saying he can get his upper body forward now, out of the wind, and alowwing him to eliminate much of his amazing arm flapping.

I wonder if the waist of his skis has been moved forward. That was a huge issue when high back boots came out, but you don't hear so much of it today.

Sounds as though Atomic's greatest contribution has been advice.
post #29 of 31
I'm telling you those Rossignols had something to do with it.
post #30 of 31
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Originally Posted by sjjohnston
Killy only had three events to race in, but consider that in the first World Cup, campaign there were 17 races and he won 12 of them: all the five downhills, 4 of the five GSs and 3 of the 7 slaloms. If you leave out the last two races of the season, when he could scarcely have cared, he only lost three races. At Kitzbuhel, he won the downhill by over a second and the slalom by over two seconds.

Girardelli was probably the greatest 5-event skier so far:
17 World Cup DH podiums
18 SG
26 GS
25 SL
Plus a bunch of combined
How about Zurbriggen? 40 WC wins in all disciplines and 4 overall wins.
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