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low end skis to recommand?

post #1 of 15
Thread Starter 
this will be only the second season for my wife and myself, even we are both in our 30s, and we have already decided to abandon the junk rental gears, and buy a pair for each of us. We cannot pick a well tuned
and maintained used skis, so we decided to
go with brand new 2001/2002 models found in
the ski shops. My budget is around $300 for a pair including bindings(usually that come
with a package), and looks for easy carving (yeah, we skidded all the time when using rental skis), forgiveness, and some room to grow. We are both conservative, especially my wife.
I am narrowing down to Rossi Cut 10.6,
Salomon Verse 5, and Dynastar Agyl, I know
most people here are at least intermediate
players and may not bother to try out any of
these stuffs, but just based on your impression, which one is better for recreation/learning, or you might have
other suggestions to share with us?

Thanks a lot for your time in advance.
post #2 of 15
Tim: Before you sell yourself short, you need to do a careful analysis of your ski asperations...... Where will you be next year? That depends on how many times you plan to ski. How far have you progressed to date? How about your weight?

Shop a bit and stop back here with some of the shops recommendations and prices. Be a bit wary if a shop is trying to push long stuff.

Consider putting some money into boots (though it sounds like you may have already) and go on a demo safari..... or renting a higher end pair for the season. Better to buy a step up the scale and grow into the ski than start at the bottom and take a bath on the resale when you are ready to move up.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ November 15, 2001 04:59 PM: Message edited 1 time, by yuki ]</font>
post #3 of 15
Thread Starter 
Thanks Mushin. We skied 6 weekends (or 11-12
days) in the last, and our first, season. We expect
to go about that many times this season
too, and I think we are pretty much trying
to take off from beginner's level. One store
(SF Bay Area) here asked us to try out a
Dynastar Outland 9 package for $280 and
he said it was a very good deal. But from a
bit reasearch I feel the model might be a bit too aggresive to my wife, later I even
found the series is disontinued for this year
(in other word the Outland they were trying to sell me was at least 1 year old model,
and might not be selling well, I guess) So
I looked around other stores. I found quite
a few beginners packages at the Copeland's,
but the salespersons there look quite young
and not very experienced to me (maybe
snow board expert though), they were
not very pushy, and recommanded the
brands and models mentioned in the first message. Because we are looking for budget
stuffs (the economy sucks, bla,bla..),
looks like neither store bothers to offer any demo geears for that level...
post #4 of 15
Tim, don't be afraid about taking a pair of skis that might be a season or even two seasons old. There were some very good skis produced over the last two years and you might be able to find something that will give you some room to grow at the price you want to pay. Just be careful, as Yuki pointed out that you don't get pushed into something long and relatively straight. Your best bet to find a strong intermediate ski that will give you that room for growth at $300 or less would be to look for one of last year's models. If you like Rossi's, perhaps the T-Power Cobra for you and the Saphire for your wife
post #5 of 15
More important than skiis are the boots!I have people come in and say they want to spend $600 or $700 for a set up.I tell them put the $$ in the best boot and a pair of foot beds.The boot is what relays your moves to the ski and if this mushy you are not going to get the best of your ski.Also with a good boot you willprogress at a faster rate and what ever ski you bought for the season,you will most likly have out grown by the end of the season.If you already have the boots ,the dynastars Agyl are very forgiving and every one I sold them to have enjoyed them ,one cavet they do come with a look binding with old style teflon AFD. Head has some packages with tyrolia bindings and for a good price break Elan has some pkg with Marker bindings. Most pkgs are designed forthe emerging intermediate ,if you have good boots at the end of the season you should be a frustrated intermediate and ready for a better ski set the next season.
post #6 of 15
Thread Starter 
I really appreciate your guys input. We got our boots already , because a couple of people made the same suggestion to us as
Donda. A pair of comfort Lange Venus 6 for my wife, and aggresive : Nortica Next 9.1 for me (but actually because only
that brand and model fits my wide feet).

Just back from another store, the saleperson
there suggest Atomic Beta 7.18 package ($369)
as he thought that was a little more solid
curving ski compared to the similarly priced
Rossi, and Salomon, then comes my
naive question: If similarly priced,
do I get a bit higher end (or quality) ski from a less famous brand (such as Elan)
than a well respect brand (such as Rossi)?
It is somewhat important for a poor guy like me (and getting poorer this year) who is
still into the sport.

post #7 of 15
Hey Mighty Tim,
I have a pair of brand new verse 5 with Salomon 509 bindngs. There are not mounted and I am looking to get rid of them. They are 170's, but I may be able to get a different size. Go ahead and make me an offer on them if you are interested.
post #8 of 15
Mighty Tim

Welcome aboard and stick around for all the other conversations as well. There's a lot more here than gear [img]smile.gif[/img]

I have to second Donda on the boots, get some footbeds with them. Even if they are just the 30.00 trim to fit footbeds to replace the stock footbeds. It is a major step up in comfort and performance.
Boot fitters often will give you a guarantee of good fit for the 150.00 it costs for the custom footbeds and it's a long term investment. the footbeds can be transfered from boot to boot as you outgrow the levels of the boot and get new ones.

My suggestion, spend the money on the boots and fitting. Then look into purchasing used/demo/rentals from last year. Get a good tune up on them and ski them for a year or 2. then sell them and move up. Last year's equipment is fine and usually a great bargin as well.

Also no need to stick with the big names. Most of the vendors make entry level and high end gear. Elan makes fine skis if they suit you.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ November 16, 2001 06:15 AM: Message edited 1 time, by dchan ]</font>
post #9 of 15
Hi tim and welcome to the forum.
Sounds like you are on the right track you and your wife have the boots. There is a ski finder on both ski and skiing mag web sites.Peter Keelty also has a ski finder and reviews.The reviews and asking questions here are good ways to get info and advise on gear and help you find what will work for you.Don't be afraid of buying last seasons gear.You might be able to Find a ski that in the long run will be better for you as you progress.I always look for last seasons gear.Just becuse it is left over does not mean that they are bad skis.I have found some of the hottest selling skis from last season for 30-50% off the retail price.Remember the guy selling you the skis may have a cash incentive to sell you one ski over another.So take the sales guys advice with a grain of salt.Good luck with your hunt for that perfect pair of skis for you and your wife
post #10 of 15
Want to know what we spend $700 on skis for? Lots of edge grip on ice AT VERY HIGH SPEEDS. If you ski at a moderate pace, a mid to low end ski is just fine. You would be surprised at what a good skier can do on regular rental skis.
post #11 of 15
tim, welcome to the forum!

ski purchasing can be a long and tiring experience as you want the most on return on your dollar. i wish you the best in your research and purchase. i can't recommend anything specific as i don't know the beginner ski market. www.peterkelty.com has a pretty good guide. also www.skimag.com has their ski selector which may help.

i will second Utah49 and others on the board who say don't be affraid to look for last year's models. this is good for experts as well as beginnings as this summer i got a brand new pair of volkl p40 plats for myself at 50% of retail! getting skis as recent as 2-3 years will not compromise quality much if at all, and you're getting your skis cheaper which is a big concern.

if you plan on skiing 10+ per year, you will get better fast, especially if you take some lessons. don't be affraid of something intermediate. you could be kicking yourself next year if you get something you can't grow into.

just be sure to inquire at reputible dealers and if you feel someone is pushing something on you, just walk out. most people are good, but there are slimes out there!
post #12 of 15
besides misspelling the URL, i didn't know they moved. the peter keelty site is actually at http://www.techsupportforskiers.com/. sorry for the confusion [img]smile.gif[/img]
post #13 of 15
Thread Starter 
GREAT feedback, and those websites are awesome!

Well, I guess I need to reconsider my strategy of bottom fishing entry level stuffs, and find a new balance between my
wish and my pocket. This weekend I should
have some opportunities to check out some
used/older but a bit higher end gears than
entry level, or think about if I should just go demo this season.

stay tuned.
post #14 of 15
Hey Tim do you have and R.E.I out your way? I noticed they had some good ski packages in a recent flyer.

No one has mentioned it but you might be interested in checking out Volant skis. I believe R.E.I. has a Volant Super Carve package. Great ski - great confidence builder!

If you have the time and the resources do consider going the Demo route and pick up skis at the end of the season. Remember that most stores will credit you what you've spent on Demoing.

Good luck and welcome to the board! Let us know what you decide.

Here's the Volant site:
Volant Sports
post #15 of 15
if the boots fit good you have done well with the nordica next 9.1,they have the ability to be adjusted as you get better and they are the top of the line of the comfort/performance group and the venus is from the frame group that was langes venture in a boot that fit a Western foot and has been well recieved .Keep all aprised with your search for skiis and I am sure you will get good feed back as you have so far . One last bit from me : I always tell people the three things (equiptment) that will help you the most is-good boots(you have)foot beds and a lifter on your skiis. Since you are an engineer ,you should relate to this. You are attempting to transfer a signal from your lower leg to your skiis,your boot does most of this but your bottom of your foot is not flat, cuboid and square,and does not mesh perfectly with the stock foot bed as a result there is slop and delay in transmission.A custom or (if no gross problems with the feet) a generic foot bed will take up any slop,so when you move to the iside edge ,it is not only the shaft of the leg and ankle that is putting the pressure for the turn but the lower foot ,all moves together.Next is a lifter-this provides leverage-as you know the more leverage the less energy expended.Most bindings come with one built in,but most lower end package skiis do not.Make sure you have one or can add one.There are different ways they are meassured,race standard is from the heel cup to ski ,but some meassure from under that point.If you are interested in recomended hights let us know-it can differ according to what and how you ski.Just got back from a clinic and Corona was the swag ,so it is time to go
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