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Silly question about the glut of atomic bindings on EBay.

post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
Hi Everyone,

This is a silly question, but I was wondering why the recent glut of what looks like higher-end Atomic bindings on e-bay. Beyon Cuoplo there are a couple other vendors selling race 614 for 80 bucks. Is there something suspect with these models, or is the new neox/ebm bindings so good that they are dumping the old ones at a super cheap price.

Thanks for any info.

Kro
post #2 of 19
RACERS STILL USE THE RACE BINDINGS. In fact the World cup plate will only take the older binding. The newer retail GS11m & Race stock & reatail SL11m plate will take Device, Neox or Race.
post #3 of 19
atomic binding are cheap all plastic!!!

the new inding is a tyrolia toe and a solomon heel on a flex band!
much better!!
post #4 of 19
The cheap plastic bindings were the only thing that turned me off of purchasing Atomic SX-9 or SX-10. They looked very flimsy.
post #5 of 19
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Originally Posted by sam stone
atomic binding are cheap all plastic!!!

the new inding is a tyrolia toe and a solomon heel on a flex band!
much better!!
Thats an interesting thought you have enlightened us with , I take it your still skiing on barrel slats rather than any of the skis made with modern composite materials (ie. plastics).
post #6 of 19
Probably Atomic wanted to get rid of all of their old product as they were beinging in a whole new line of bindings. Thus, they probably sold off ALL of their inventory in EVERY warehouse around the world. This allowed shops to buy the stuff dirt cheap. Companies like Dynastar do this with their leftovers every year. Look at Ebay right now, there are more than twice as many dynastar skis as any other brand. The same applies to Atomic bindings. They are cheap because there are so many. It simple supply and demnd. The vendors are probably still making the same margins they normally do, so they dont care that they are selling them for less. They will end up making more money because more people will buy them. I know of many vendors on Ebay that do this - one very well.
Later
GREG
post #7 of 19
i would guess that as of tuesday or wednesday this week there won't be so many D-stars on e-bay as someone has had/is about to get their wrists slapped re their stupid pricing practices on their ebay sales(all brands not just d-star)
the 6-14 is a great binding, if you don't want to buy a look, you could do a lot worse
post #8 of 19
Seems like the vast majority are being sold by Cupolo, and I know they did a large quantity buy of Atomic bindings, because when I called them in June to buy a pair, they said they didn't have any but were negotiating to buy all Atomics stock of last years models, but they wouldn't sell them for what Cupolo wanted to pay. He said to call back in August, sounded pretty confident Atomic would meet their price by then.
post #9 of 19
Doesn't make much sense with all of these for $80(with free shipping!) - since just one day before all of these ended people were buying them for 198.77(plus 10.50 shipping). A week before that a pair went for $202.

The seller is crazy to put them up for that kind of money, when he could have easily gotten 175 for them....but hey, I guess its cheaper for the skiier. I'm sure the people that bought them for $200 aren't happy though!
post #10 of 19
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Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier
Probably Atomic wanted to get rid of all of their old product as they were beinging in a whole new line of bindings. Thus, they probably sold off ALL of their inventory in EVERY warehouse around the world. This allowed shops to buy the stuff dirt cheap. Companies like Dynastar do this with their leftovers every year. Look at Ebay right now, there are more than twice as many dynastar skis as any other brand. The same applies to Atomic bindings. They are cheap because there are so many. It simple supply and demnd. The vendors are probably still making the same margins they normally do, so they dont care that they are selling them for less. They will end up making more money because more people will buy them. I know of many vendors on Ebay that do this - one very well.
Later
GREG
MOst racers are still using the old binding. In fact the Black plate that comes on the Race Stock GS11m & DH & SG won't accept a Neox. the SX11, SX B5 and any other green ski they make will accept both bindings.
post #11 of 19
Does this mean that financially restricted people like me who are intending to buy an off piste ski next season should snap up a cheap atomic binding now, or can they only be used on a limited range of skis?
post #12 of 19
you are all the lucky recipients of a beneficial supply and demand situtation fór end consumers...
post #13 of 19
A few thoughts:

- It sure looks like what happened is exactly what HeluvaSkier describes. Atomic (or, more likely, the US distributor) had a big inventory of now-discontinued binding and ski models. Rather than destroy them, or get rid of them in some old-fashioned low-key way, they sold them off, a lot of them to Cupolo's, some to other dealers (it looks like). The dealers offered them something for the whole stock, and they took it. Now they can sell them for very little and still make a profit.

- Atomic probably won't do that again. For one thing, it leads to people saying things like, "Their bindings are cheap because they're plastic," when they're no more plastic than anyone else's.

- I think the ones going really cheap are mostly SX614s. Reasons these should go cheaper: people don't know that it's the same binding as the race, with different cosmetics; people do know, but care about the cosmetics; there's a limited market for the race bindings anyway; Cupolo's eBay listings don't explain any of this, because they don't really even know what they are selling; Cupolo's listings are more obviously screwed up: they feature a photo of a CR614 up top and in the gallery view; Cupolo's does massive "dumps," listing 40 or or more pairs of similar bindings at once; people perhaps don't trust Cupolo's.

- Atomic really won't do that again.
post #14 of 19
I'm certain that this is going to become a trend with ski companies. Instead of destroying their product they are selling it, thus increasing their sales. In the past the theory was that consumers would have to pay full price for equipement if there was no old equipement to be had. Clearly companies like Dyastar are making adequate money off this type of practice without hurting their current model sales much. Dynastar has now sold off their skis for i think the third season now. Clearly Atomic did the same this year. As far as Atomic's relationship with Cupolo's - it is very strong. I don't think you will see Atomic shunning that shop anytime soon. The new practices by shops and manufacturers are simply changing how business is done in the ski industry. ultimately it is cheaper for the consumer. As far as a company getting introuble for price gouging on ebay, i dont think that can happen, as long as they are selling previous years equipement. Current models are another story, but i dont think there are any instances of that on Ebay.
Later
GREG
post #15 of 19
Quote:
Originally Posted by sjjohnston
A few thoughts:

- It sure looks like what happened is exactly what HeluvaSkier describes. Atomic (or, more likely, the US distributor) had a big inventory of now-discontinued binding and ski models. Rather than destroy them, or get rid of them in some old-fashioned low-key way, they sold them off, a lot of them to Cupolo's, some to other dealers (it looks like). The dealers offered them something for the whole stock, and they took it. Now they can sell them for very little and still make a profit.

- Atomic probably won't do that again. For one thing, it leads to people saying things like, "Their bindings are cheap because they're plastic," when they're no more plastic than anyone else's.

- I think the ones going really cheap are mostly SX614s. Reasons these should go cheaper: people don't know that it's the same binding as the race, with different cosmetics; people do know, but care about the cosmetics; there's a limited market for the race bindings anyway; Cupolo's eBay listings don't explain any of this, because they don't really even know what they are selling; Cupolo's listings are more obviously screwed up: they feature a photo of a CR614 up top and in the gallery view; Cupolo's does massive "dumps," listing 40 or or more pairs of similar bindings at once; people perhaps don't trust Cupolo's.

- Atomic really won't do that again.
I can almost guarantee you this has nothing to do with Atomic USA, but does with Atomic Canada. Atomic USA was not happy about Cupolo blowing stuff out so cheap to US customers, but could do nothing about it since cupolo is not in their juridiction but deals with Atomic Canada.

Again all of Atomic's race ski plates (except the all black WC Cup Plate take Race bindings only)) and SX's are are set up to take Race, Neox or device bindings.

I think it is specifically a glut of the lovely green bindings. They would be great on a pair of Red Atomic Speed skis or GS11's during the holiday season! (Red/Green)
post #16 of 19
Thread Starter 
I wanted to say thanks for all the input. I ended up getting some Race 6.14's for 80 bucks from another canadian dealer on ebay. Basically I still only have one set of skis (Head IC300's) that I love. So i am putting together a set of general rock/cr*p skis for less then perfect eastern days. I ended up getting the REI Volant Soul's and the Race 6.14's total cost is like 220 for a new setup which is not to shabby. I would have rather gotten the new rx9's or maybe the Head XRC1100 or som elan 666's but cash was not at hand so i had to a bit creative as to my selection. Over all i think i could have done worse.
post #17 of 19
I bit the bullet and got the green sx 614's from Cupolo's. This was before I noticed the red race 614's from another seller with for the same price with free shipping. Anyhow, I don't mind waiting a few weeks, but Cupolo better not tell me that they don't have any in stock...

-T
post #18 of 19
"Atomic's relationship with Cupolo's - it is very strong. I don't think you will see Atomic shunning that shop anytime soon"
until they can't pay for the stuff because they sold it for less than they paid for it and can't pay their overhead. repeat after me "Michel Pratte"
post #19 of 19
Something is up because Cupolo only has 3 pair of skis listed in their store and all those SX bindings are no longer listed. In fact all their listings are gone, except 3 pair of low end dynastar skis in their store!
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