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Taking the wife to the next level.

post #1 of 27
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I'm a decent skier and although my wife have made great progress she still is a slow intermediate skier and fearful, mainly because we lived in the east coast where falling on the Ice was a bruise producing experience. We've been to Copper, Whistler, and last year to Jackson Hole and Targhee together where she even took the tram and went down some easy black runs and enjoyed it a lot. She voiced it was because it was steep but soft when she fell.We talked about here getting in a camp/clinic but she feels that spending the entire day in a class is too much and she also gets worried when she is not around me 'cause she thinks I'll jump off a cliff and die! When we went to Copper we had a package with 5 half days of lessons but the group was a bit weak for her, same thing happened at Whistler... We are getting at a point where the gap between our skiing skills is getting to big and I enjoy traveling with her. Thsi year we may go together to Telluride or I may go back to Jackson Hole for the steep and deep camp.
Any advice?!
post #2 of 27
First, I have to say, be careful what you wish for! You may end up with a wife who is more obssesed with skiing than you are!

Now for some "real" advice, you both may think about checking out the Epicski Academy. Your wife will progress rapidly.

Also, it's not always important for couples to ski the same trails. Try not to be too anxious for her to ski at the exact same level as you. My husband started skiing as a kid, and has a very natural talent for it. I didn't start until my 40's and skiing is the one physical activity that does not come naturally to me . While I will never be at his level {Especially now that he's moving out to Summit County} we can still enjoy some runs together.
Apres ski is too much fun with your S.O. to take separate vacations!
post #3 of 27
Have her take a private 1-hour lesson every morning. You might want to try one yourself, just for fun.
post #4 of 27
This sounds a bit confusing. Your wife is a "slow intermediate skier" and it looks like you are heading for most of the areas known for advanced terrain.
"Steep, but soft----------when she fell."
"the group was a bit weak for her....."

and finally the real answer-----"the gap between our skiing skills is getting too big."

A question----Does SHE want to improve to "catch up" to your level of skiing, or is she trying that to keep you happy (or safe---see cliff) ? I suspect you see a somewhat overly favorable view of you wife's true skiing ability than the (at least) 2 ski schools she has been to. (by the way Copper has an incredible staff)

so "...Ski like Hell" may not exactly fit your wifes plan.

Answers----the obvious---determine her real needs, does she want to jump into Corbits, or comfortably cruise nice blue groomers ?
Does she want to ski with you all the time---some of the time ---none of the time(hope not on the 3rd) ?
Will she ever get to the point in her skiing that you both can ski YOUR FUN terrain ?

Do some more homework to find areas that suit both your current needs------maybe connect up with another person (or a couple) at the area you choose, for her to ski with. Maybe some folks here at Epic.

Sounds as if private lessons would work better than a class---Hint---If you are at a major area midweek/nonholiday/slow time, sometimes a class at your wifes level may only have a few students and taught by one of the "better Instructors" . Senority still is a consideration at a lot of schools.

You wife will get to the next level,
A..If she wants to AND has the ability to.
B..With Instruction.
C...In due time.

My .02-----THANKS for listening.
post #5 of 27
Uncle Louie raises some good points. Husbands, bless em' sometimes over rate their wife's ability. I guess that's love.

Copper instructors are extremely careful about putting people in the right class level, even if they are trying to keep themselves back.
Often, people think that they are more advanced then the rest of the class simply because they're skiing faster, but skiing faster does not always mean more skill.
post #6 of 27
Thread Starter 
Here is some feedback. Yes, she likes to come with me and she would like to improve. No, she does not want to ski at my level (btw, I do not jump over cliffs!). Thanks for the input. All points well taken.
post #7 of 27

Run her up to sunburst

You're from Chicago, run her up to Sunburst north of Milwaukee and get her hooked up on some privates with Arcmeister (Roger Kane)!

He is an Epic Bear Coach at their events and excellent and close by.

http://www.skisunburst.com/
post #8 of 27
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Originally Posted by nando
I'm a decent skier and although my wife have made great progress she still is a slow intermediate skier and fearful, mainly because we lived in the east coast where falling on the Ice was a bruise producing experience. We've been to Copper, Whistler, and last year to Jackson Hole and Targhee together where she even took the tram and went down some easy black runs and enjoyed it a lot. She voiced it was because it was steep but soft when she fell.We talked about here getting in a camp/clinic but she feels that spending the entire day in a class is too much and she also gets worried when she is not around me 'cause she thinks I'll jump off a cliff and die! When we went to Copper we had a package with 5 half days of lessons but the group was a bit weak for her, same thing happened at Whistler... We are getting at a point where the gap between our skiing skills is getting to big and I enjoy traveling with her. Thsi year we may go together to Telluride or I may go back to Jackson Hole for the steep and deep camp.
Any advice?!
The ESA? I know that she thinks that spending the day in class is too much, but I think that she may find the time spent with those of similar ability may be an excellent investment. In the case of the ESA, you could follow 4 days of instruction with a few days together.

When my wife and I spent a week at Taos, it was wonderful. We each spent the morning in classes (me getting my workout on the steeps, she getting gentle instruction on the blues). Then, we spent afternoons skiing together and both enjoying it tremendously. So, that may be another option for you.

I'd recommend the ESA first, though!
post #9 of 27
Whoever suggested taking a lesson or two with Roger Kane (arcmeister) had a great idea. Roger is a hell of a guy!

ESA has been real successful for couples--but it is a focused program and so there does need to be some honest communication about who wants to do what. So far, no murders, divorces, or anything like that!
post #10 of 27
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Originally Posted by sno'more
Whoever suggested taking a lesson or two with Roger Kane (arcmeister) had a great idea. Roger is a hell of a guy!

ESA has been real successful for couples--but it is a focused program and so there does need to be some honest communication about who wants to do what. So far, no murders, divorces, or anything like that!
Just a bit of melodrama here and there, but hey, it keeps life interesting!
post #11 of 27
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Originally Posted by Ghost
Have her take a private 1-hour lesson every morning. You might want to try one yourself, just for fun.
Negative Negative!!!!!

The one hour private is the biggest waste of money. It's useless. Do not take a one hour private.

Advice for wife:
half day small group lessons perhaps throw in a half day private on the third day after she's had a chance to acclimate .
Check her gear...is she on appropriate gear that will get her to the next level?

Take her some place she would like
Jackson Hole???Targhee???? Telluride???? Take the wife to Aspen/Snowmass. She will love the cruisers at Snowmass and it's the best ski town in NA. They have a great ski school and you can always leave her for a half day and go to Highlands or Ajax or spend a morning in Hanging Valley. And don't forget to look up my pal Jon Barnes www.ultimatetaxi.com


PS: For gear check out the new Volkl chix stix

http://www.volkl.com/ski/ss_gamma.shtml


This ski rocks and is very forgiving.
post #12 of 27
If you go to Aspen, hook up with Wigs or Weems or one of the other Aspenites from Epic!
post #13 of 27
If you do come to Jackson for the Steep Camp, bring your wife along. While you're out camping, have her take some half-day lessons from Jamie McIntosh.

Jamie is one of the best instructors I've ever known (and that takes in a lot of instructors). She's extermely capable technically, a riot to be around, and one of the best teachers you'd ever find. She'd be perfect for helping your wife bump up a level or two and have fun in the meantime.

Bob

And speaking of great instructors, the advice about Arcmeister is excellent as well. I haven't seen him teach but I've seen him ski and interact with people. Excellent in both regards and he really knows how to use a pair of skis.
post #14 of 27
One thing you might want to look into, if you have not already, is boot alignment and equipment. My wife was very much the same as you describe yours. What we didn't realize, until after we had some extensive alignment work done, was that a lot of her timid nature on skis was due to the fact that the skis were not responding the way they should due to alignement issues. We got her aligned and on new, much shorter skis, with a lot more sidecut, which keep the tips and tails more engaged with the snow and makes them more stable, and instantly (literally, her first turns after the changes) were a dramatic improvement, and the smile on her face was 100% larger, not to mention that she approached the tactics of getting down the hill much better (not going very slow and stopping after every third turn. etc).

It's worth looking into if you have not already.
post #15 of 27
Great point, JohnH! Hmmm... Let's see... Wasn't there something about boot balancing at the ESA?

OK, I'll shut up now!
post #16 of 27
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ESA has been real successful for couples--but it is a focused program and so there does need to be some honest communication about who wants to do what. So far, no murders, divorces, or anything like that!
Hey -- and one marriage.

Seriously -- the spread between Mr delta and I is similar, and ESA was great, because we could both learn, and then we could ski together in some fantastic terrain. While Mr delta never minded skiing simple terrain with me, it's nice to be able to ski more of the mountain with him.
post #17 of 27
Thread Starter 
That's a lot of good info. Thx a bunch!
post #18 of 27
Thread Starter 
SSq, Lisamarie, sno'more and Mrs Delta, my wife and I decided to attend the ESA. We have just signed up for it. See you there.
Thanks everyone for the input
post #19 of 27
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Originally Posted by nando
SSq, Lisamarie, sno'more and Mrs Delta, my wife and I decided to attend the ESA. We have just signed up for it. See you there.
Thanks everyone for the input
You will both benefit from the ESA experience!

LM started another thread about tactics to ski together as couples of differing abilities, Nolo had an enthuiastic response, so do that as well even if it is not part of the official curriculum.
post #20 of 27
If you want to take her to the next level then work with her at home and in private. If your out on the snow then just rejoice in the time and enjoy the company.
post #21 of 27
I agree with making sure that your WIFE wants to do this for HERSELF - and not just to please you, or watch out for you, or just to shut you up.: : (no offense - we ALL do that sometimes with our loved ones - don't we??)

The reason I'm reiterating that point is because of some of the wording I've seen. Such as...

"Taking" her (are you going to the next level or is SHE?)...."the wife" (Does she have a name, a voice, a choice?)... to the next level.

I know it's all semantics, but the wording sure makes it sound like it's YOUR idea, and YOU are the one not happy with where she is.

Just checking - and again please don't take offense - someone very close to me has already had this lecture and is probably rolling his eyes as we speak!:
post #22 of 27
Agreed
post #23 of 27
Thread Starter 
Some recent comments a bit out of place...
Just to make you feel better,we talked about it....:
post #24 of 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by nando
SSq, Lisamarie, sno'more and Mrs Delta, my wife and I decided to attend the ESA. We have just signed up for it. See you there.
Thanks everyone for the input
Whoop, whoop! It'll be great! Can't wait to meet you in person!
post #25 of 27
Thread Starter 
To all that participated in this forum and also the ones at ESA, THANKS for the recommendation. We had a great time and the ESA fit our needs perfectly. Friday Hitu, my wife and I skied together. This is how I looked when I saw her going down the south face totally balanced and making nice turns :
It was just great! I was very proud of her and very happy to see her smiling after the runs... We also would like to say a special thank you to Ursula and Tom (our coaches) for the outstanding job!
We both liked ESA so much, that we are already planing fo next year....

See ya

Adriana and Nando

PS. Does anyone have Ursula's e-mail?
post #26 of 27
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Originally Posted by Sidecut
Negative Negative!!!!!

The one hour private is the biggest waste of money. It's useless. Do not take a one hour private.

Beg to differ. BEST lessons of my life were one hour privates. Private is always at YOUR level; one hour is enough to work on one or two key problems the instructor identifies and come up with ways to work on and address those. You don't get overwhelmed with advice/exercises, and the instructors are not trying to fill in the whole half day/full day with tips that aren't as useful just so you get your money's worth. Plus, you have the whole rest of the day to ski; you haven't 'wasted' your vacation time. (As a bonus, you can add second person to a private usually for not too much more $ and tag along; let the instructor know to focus on your wife so she gets most of the benefit - it is only an hour, after all, but you may learn something as well.)

Biggest waste of a lesson in my life was a full-day women's clinic. The people in your group are critical. The other women in the group all skied at the same level as me, so abilty-wise it was the right place for me. But, they were 'soccer Moms' who wanted to ski more elegantly on the blues; no pushing the envelope or challenging ourselves in this group. I was bored out of my mind, and don't even recall taking any useful drills or exercises out of this experience.

Had a great half day group at Snowmass once - because I was a high enough level skier to get in a group with just one other person and had a great level 3 instructor; an instructor can easily focus on and help 2 similarly skilled people (even if they need slightly different tips/exercises). If you can swing a group like that, it is a great value. But, I don't think it works so well at the intermediate level; on that same day, my intermediate sister-in-law took a group lesson, and, with a much larger class size and much more timid skiers than she involved, she didn't get much out of it.

Just my 2 cents from my own personal experience.

Kristine
post #27 of 27
Thread Starter 
Kristine,
I have been in your shoes before. BUT, the ESA was absolutely perfect!
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