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post #31 of 51
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Originally Posted by Lucky
It's my opinion that people who tend to like German, Austrian and Swiss skis generally don't like Salomon skis.
I think you're right. I prefer the Teutonic skis for hard snow and the Gallic ones on soft. : I liked the XHot a lot in deep powder & western crud.
post #32 of 51
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Originally Posted by xdog1
Salomon makes good skis. If they didn't, they wouldn't be so prevalent.

Don't put too much stock in the hodge podge of opinions being hurled at you, just look up when the next "Oasis" event will be near you, then go demo all of their skis and then you'll have an opinion that's actually based on more than " my buddy sez so! ".
Ehh.....I would rather go here and get some people opinions rather than listen to just *straight* marketing hype. Even though I think much of the skiing public and people here have bought into the latest round of hype pretty well.
post #33 of 51
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Originally Posted by Max Capacity
I like the Xtra hot best of all in there current crop. Ski it short I skied it in 165cm, I was 195lbs and I'm 5'11".
I have skied the xtra hot in a 165 just for kicks. I own it in a 185. 6'1, 175-180 lb. Though I could make it down the hill in on the 165, I thought it was pretty much a joke. Way to short, whippy, etc, etc. Maybe for a low intermediate of my size it would be ok. I think it's sized for an advanced-expert skier in the 120-140 lb range.
post #34 of 51

Mac????

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Originally Posted by Mac
I've had four pairs of Salomons over the last ten years or so, and the story is pretty much the same; they just don't hold up.
So why do you keep buying them?
post #35 of 51
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Originally Posted by SpringsRegular
So why do you keep buying them?
My guess is that like me, Mac got replacement skis on warranty. That's why I had two pair and a third on the way when I opted out for Atomics.
post #36 of 51
I have skied Salomons for 10 years in California and Utah. They are wonderful for western conditions. My old Super Force Nine were foam core and broke down after about 75 days. My X-Screams are from 1997, have wood core, and still are doing great. I am changing this year because their length (195) give me pause in the trees, and I feel that the advances made in the last 3 years or so are really noticeable in terms of being able to ski short (I am going to get 180-185) and stay stable.
post #37 of 51
I own a pair of Crossmax 9's, which I bought when they first came out. Got them at the end of season sale. Couldn't afford the 10's. I consider myself an advanced skier but this was the first pair of shaped skis I have owned. I personally like them for the soft snow, groomers and light powder days. (These skis feel like powder skis after having skiied on 200CM GS skis for 20 years.) In any event, I only use my Salomon's for days when I ski with my wife and know that I'm not going to be shredding steeps and moguls. They also get pushed around in the crud and they don't do well in moguls.
A ski instructor friend of mine had a pair of the X-sream series skis and by the end of the season, they had turned to noodles. No life in them what so ever. I think with the new laminate construction that Salomon uses, combined with the use of wood/foam cores has really improved the life and torsional rigidity of their skis. I find Atomics too stiff for my taste. I'm only 155lbs, so I prefer a bit less stiff ski. Could never get the old K2 Axis X pros model to work for me, way too stiff! For me Rossis and Dynastar seem to have the best snow feel and flex for my skill and weight. Just like buying a car, you should always demo before you buy. Their boots do rock.
post #38 of 51
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Originally Posted by Highway Star
I have skied the xtra hot in a 165 just for kicks. I own it in a 185. 6'1, 175-180 lb. Though I could make it down the hill in on the 165, I thought it was pretty much a joke. Way to short, whippy, etc, etc. Maybe for a low intermediate of my size it would be ok. I think it's sized for an advanced-expert skier in the 120-140 lb range.
I find that interesting. You like it in 185cm. My guess is your from the west and don't have to deal with firm conditions.

I demoed it last January at Okemo when the temp was -29F. Found the 165 to have good edge hold (for a solly) and have good rebound. My longest ski is 177cm, if I get on a ski 180cm or more they seem slow to turn and not much fun. I ski a lot and I would consider myself an advanced-expert. I have a buudy who is 165lbs and 6ft tall and loves his Xtra's in 165cm. We ski the whole Mt even stuff not on the trail map.
post #39 of 51
General stuff on any brand of ski:

Are the production skis built very differently from their race stock? Sandwich with a side wall...lots of layers...0.5 base bevel and 2 degrees side...sharp.

You can get a good idea of edge hold just by trapping the tail between your ankles and twisting the tip...Reeeal gs and slaloms and skier-cross don't twist...intermediate skis will because forgivenesss is needed

If you can't rail a ski, how the hell do you know how it skis...
If you need to skid it around you'll call 'em all difficult.

If you can skid them form turn to turn -you'll say they're easy to ski...but you'll never know that once they're railling you can't vary the turn radius- even if you move the demo binding 2 inches ahead of center. ( Bandit XX were a terrible ski)

Salomon team SL'S and GS are great...Why buy a Pilot or cross with a cap construction.??
Elan 662's, Dynastar, upper level Heads...Stockli's, Fischers, team Rossi's: Sandwich
Sandwich Sandwich Sandwich Sandwich
post #40 of 51

To Highway Star

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Originally Posted by Highway Star
And another thing, about feel in general.

The worst ski? I absolutely HATE volkl cap skis. They feel dead, DEAD, as roadkill to me as far as snow feel goes, the exact opposite as stocklis. They suck, and I will never own a pair...well, I have a pair of P40 SL's that suck, that I bought before I figured this out. I've demoed about 4 pair of various types over the last few years, G3's, p60 sl's, and a few others....all crap. Probably the most overrated ski in the industry.
You're right about the Volkl caps- the 724's and the MEGASPEED were dead,dead, dead.
Then I got on some P60 Slaloms and they rock...funny they were sandwich...

HEY ! COULD YOU OLD GUYS BURY ALL THE STRAIGHT SKI DETRITUS...EXCEPT TO USE IN GEEKY TECHNIC DISCUSSIONS STRAIGHT SKIS ARE WORSE THAN USELESS...
Two seasons ago AT OUR LOCAL REUSE-IT CENTER, for abut $20.00 each, I got Volkl P9 slaloms and Rossi GS 7x's WITH bindings and NICE TUNES on 'em ...
Crappy snow- pack, opening day groomers to run 'em on...Skied one half day on each and then took 'em right back and left them for someone else to skid around...STRAIGHT SKIS SUCK
post #41 of 51
I demoed xtra-hots in 165 at Taos last February. I thought they were great-I am 5'9" 160 pounds and ski at an "expert" level. I gave serious consideration to purchasing a pair, but even at e-bay prices I could not swing it. If I could purchase one pair of skis to add to my quiver it would be Salomon AK lab swallow tail skis (they only come in one length). I have not skied them, but I still know those are the skis I would want
post #42 of 51
In answer to SpringsRegular and Gill, yes, after a long unpleasant battle, I finally did get them (Salomon) to give me a replacement pair, but I was so turned off by the treatment I received that I made a deal with the shop I bought them from to swap them off for another brand. And it's not just Salomon that I'm disappointed with. The quality of the major ski companies in general could and should be a lot better than it is. Rossi as well as Salomon has long had a reputation of breaking down quickly. I had a pair of K2's that the factory replaced twice, although I haven't owned any K2's since their factory moved to China, so I can't comment on them now. Volkl has put out some pretty crappy skis lately. It's almost like they forgot how to make a decent ski. Another poster in this thread stated that they could see an obvious difference when comparing the Fischer RX8 to another brand, that the Fischer felt like a much higher performance ski, although it fell in the same category and price range as the one he was comparing it to. Probably had a lot to do with the overall quality of the ski as anything. In the past I've bought a lot of skis, usually one or two pairs a season, but I'm getting sick of getting burned. I've had two pairs of Heads for a few seasons now, and haven't had any problems with them yet. Also had a pair of Atomics that held up well, it just seems like the Austrian skis are better quality. And I'm sure that someone will have a story about a pair that fell apart on them, but up until now, those are the ones that have by far served me the best.
post #43 of 51
I ordered my ExtraHots in a 175 length as I intend to use the ski in powder and off piste conditions in the west and in the east. I am a 5'9" 180 lb 55 year old male who has been skiing the whole mountain adequately for 18 years. I believe that this ski is a great choice for an easterner who skis about 10 days a year out west. I have a pair of Volkl Superstar 5's in a 168 as my everyday eastern hardpack, etc. ski. Instead of bashing a ski and or ski manufacturer across the board, we should all:

1. take a look at what other skis are in our quiver.
2. look at how we are going to use a particular ski and for what purpose.
3. demo the particular ski with a good solid tune.
4. go out and ski on whatever ski suits you for that day and rip up the mountain.

Also, I have been advised that the Salomon skis in particular must be tuned before one can adequately ski and rate them. At a ski shop demo day last March, the Extrahots with a new tune skied completely different than those straight from the factory. If you ski them out of the factory or at a demo without a tune from a tuner who knows what he/she is doing, then you are simply wasting your time because you are skiing a different ski.

Chill & pray to the snow-gods.
Happy thanksgiving.
gostan
post #44 of 51
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Originally Posted by Max Capacity
I find that interesting. You like it in 185cm. My guess is your from the west and don't have to deal with firm conditions.

I demoed it last January at Okemo when the temp was -29F. Found the 165 to have good edge hold (for a solly) and have good rebound. My longest ski is 177cm, if I get on a ski 180cm or more they seem slow to turn and not much fun. I ski a lot and I would consider myself an advanced-expert. I have a buudy who is 165lbs and 6ft tall and loves his Xtra's in 165cm. We ski the whole Mt even stuff not on the trail map.
I'm EC, I ski all over, mostly cannon in the past but this year I got a ski house at k-mart and the cheap ASC all east pass. I'm 26, 6'1" 175-180 lb, athletic with a bit of a race background.

I ski the 185 xtra hot as an all around, typical day, on trail freeskiing ski. I've had it in packed out woods and bumps, and while it is manageable there, it's setup a little heavier and more lifted than optimal for verstility, due to having race stock binders on it, and lift for a 60 mm stand height. If I flat mounted some 997 equipes on there they'd be better all around. I typically ski them in a very agressive high angle GS style which they are great for. Pretty solid at speed, and the width and lift keeps them tracking solid through piles of sluff that I would normally boot out on with a narrower ski. They make a shorter turn than my stockli stormriders, which are more of a straight race GS board, and also have a 60mm lift. So I think of them as a short gs, all snow carver, that is fairly versitile. I'm going to all around freeski the 201 asteroids I get too...more of a super wide superg ski....I'll put a little bit of lift on them and make big high angle arcs through any type of snow.

The xtra hots are not durable skis from a trauma standpoint - I compressed an edge slightly just grazing a rock, in a slow speed sideways slide (braking), somthing that should not damage a ski. It came out with a stone grind but I don't take them off trail anymore, and I watch where I'm going. I picked up a pair of used intuitive BIG's (full sidewall, like the flame bigs) to use for all round off trail skiing, steeps, bumps, etc. 188 cm, one sheet of metal (?), 80mm waist, not too heavy, should be durable, stable, yet quick and soft enough. Will mount them with a 997 equipe and a little lift, should be an awesome versitle ski.
post #45 of 51
as I've said before, Salomon skis respond best to a lighter weight, more "finesse" skier, and seem to disappoint heavier skiers who like to muscle their sticks around.

I'd also agree with the poster above who said you MUST ski the Salomons with a modern two-ski platform in order to reap their greatest rewards. again, they're a finesse-oriented ski.

I think you guys should talk to Eric desLauriers about how "inferior" Salomon skis are. Eric rips unholy terror on his.
post #46 of 51
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Originally Posted by gonzostrike
I think you guys should talk to Eric desLauriers about how "inferior" Salomon skis are. Eric rips unholy terror on his.
Yea, but...I bet 1) he doesn't get his "off the rack" and 2) he can probably get a new pair anytime he likes.
post #47 of 51
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Originally Posted by Lodro
Yea, but...I bet 1) he doesn't get his "off the rack" and 2) he can probably get a new pair anytime he likes.
you could ask him. PM to eskis.
post #48 of 51
I think alot of people are jealous of Salomons success. When Salomon made jsut high-end skis, good skiers loved them, once they started making a full line, people now act like they sold out and that the top end are just rebadged lower skis.

Salomon is suffering from thier own success.
post #49 of 51
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Originally Posted by Phil Pugliese
I think alot of people are jealous of Salomons success. When Salomon made jsut high-end skis, good skiers loved them, once they started making a full line, people now act like they sold out and that the top end are just rebadged lower skis. Salomon is suffering from thier own success.
Phil, an interesting point. It reminds me of surprisingly negative attitudes toward Atomic I discovered in Germany.
I asked on a forum there "why?" and the only reasonable answer I got was the phenomenon of lots of wild and dangerous "would-be Herminators" using the Herminator ski without corresponding skills.
But, frankly, the jealousy might play some role too.
The more A. dominates the WC the more people might feel the urge to root for "the weeker".
Which, then, filters down from the WC-level to the skis everyday skiers use.
I donĀ“t know if the theory is correct but there might be something to it.
post #50 of 51
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Originally Posted by gonzostrike
I think you guys should talk to Eric desLauriers about how "inferior" Salomon skis are. Eric rips unholy terror on his.
Yeah, but Gonz, he could probably rip unholy terror on a pair of 2X4s.
post #51 of 51
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Originally Posted by Maineac
I demoed xtra-hots in 165 at Taos last February. I thought they were great-I am 5'9" 160 pounds and ski at an "expert" level. I gave serious consideration to purchasing a pair, but even at e-bay prices I could not swing it. If I could purchase one pair of skis to add to my quiver it would be Salomon AK lab swallow tail skis (they only come in one length). I have not skied them, but I still know those are the skis I would want
You and me both - but I have never seen them on any hill in North America (I ski out West). I demoed some Pocket Rockets 185cm - soft and noodly. Do they take a Pilot binding? If they do, the DIN should go up to at least 14.
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