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I'm planning on getting a new hard shell and I've found good deals on 2 unbelievable coats... The Arcteryx Javelin SV and the Cloudveil Koven.

I've tried both of them on and like them enough to be happy with either... but here's the dilemma. While the Koven is a bit cheaper and better looking, IMO, it lacks a powder skirt. Yeah, I live in the east, but I am looking at grad schools in salt lake city (hmm, i wonder why )

Does anyone have experience with either coat that will put me over the top or insight into the "the koven is a bit cheaper (about $50) and better looking, but lacks a powder skirt" question?
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The Powder Skirt is not just for...

no experience with either, but the lack of a powder skirt tends to negate any jacket from "purchasing status" with me. not only do they keep the snow out, they keep the wind out on windy days while you sit on the lift (really nice at alta).

actually, i find that powder skirts are only marginally effective at keeping snow out when i fall. i always seem to end up in such a position that my powder skirt is not helping (hands over head, ass in the air, head in snow, skis up hill). but, the rest of the time, when i'm busy getting myself out of a bombhole, the powder skirt keeps me dryer and warmer and i like that.

to help you out, i was going to buy a spyder jacket with a storm-proof neoprene cuff. when i found there were none left at spyder in the exact style i wanted, i decided to hold off until next year. when you drop big cash on a jacket, get every single feature you're pretty sure you want. you won't regret it, especially if you're planning on making the jacket last a number of years (two plus)...
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I know it's difficult to find deals this time of year but make sure you check out LL Bean's line of shells(they used to be made by Mont-Bell) http://www.llbean.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CategoryDisplay?categoryId=38180&storeId=1&catalog Id=1&langId=-1&parentCategory=3523&cat4=6348&shop_method=pp&fea t=dp26. They have been mentioned on other boards as being well-made and affordable. Ditto Mountain Equipment Co-op http://www.mec.ca/Main/content_text....1149450218#usa (also remember the U.S. exchange rate and duties). Also checkout the offerings at http://www.sierratradingpost.com/Default.asp?wc=true
post #4 of 5
Are your ski pants bibs? If so then you don't necessarily need the powder skirt.

How much are the longer arcteryx jackets where you are? alpha or theta?

I don't think you can go wrong with either company, but buy the coat that fits and of course looks good since after all that's what is all about!
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Originally Posted by unionbowler
no experience with either, but the lack of a powder skirt tends to negate any jacket from "purchasing status" with me. not only do they keep the snow out, they keep the wind out on windy days while you sit on the lift (really nice at alta).

actually, i find that powder skirts are only marginally effective at keeping snow out when i fall. i always seem to end up in such a position that my powder skirt is not helping (hands over head, ass in the air, head in snow, skis up hill). but, the rest of the time, when i'm busy getting myself out of a bombhole, the powder skirt keeps me dryer and warmer and i like that.

to help you out, i was going to buy a spyder jacket with a storm-proof neoprene cuff. when i found there were none left at spyder in the exact style i wanted, i decided to hold off until next year. when you drop big cash on a jacket, get every single feature you're pretty sure you want. you won't regret it, especially if you're planning on making the jacket last a number of years (two plus)...
Yeah, you got that right about falling in two-plus feet of powder - especially the snow getting in my goggles and in the top of my jacket...

Often, I ski with a pack or a small Camelbak (2001 Rocket), because two of my parkas don't have powder skirts... But the thing I don't like about Spyder jackets is that most of them are insulated. I get hot enough as it is when skiing hard...
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