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Best all mountain ski??

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
What is the best all around ski? Must be above average in the moguls.
post #2 of 17
East or West?
post #3 of 17
Man, Jeff, you really opened up a can of worms. I am drifting towards the Rossi B2, the Dynastar 8000, and the Salomon Super Hot, for skis I may want to own next. For the past? The Salomon XScream Series is a wonderful do-it-all ski for the West. That's my vote for skis I know about.
post #4 of 17
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Originally Posted by Billiam
Man, Jeff, you really opened up a can of worms. I am drifting towards the Rossi B2, the Dynastar 8000, and the Salomon Super Hot, for skis I may want to own next. For the past? The Salomon XScream Series is a wonderful do-it-all ski for the West. That's my vote for skis I know about.
Western skis - Dynastar Legend 8000, K2 Apache Recon, Volkl 724 EXP, and Rossi B2. Skied all except the Dynastar and leaning to that ski for myself based on friends' feedback on the ski.

The Recon is the reincarnation of the XP. The Volkl EXP is great on hardpack and not as good as some in powder. Many people love the B2 although I am not a fan. Something about the ski that I just did not like.

If you are looking for an eastern ski then look at skis like the Volkl 5 star.
post #5 of 17
so many choices adn so many opinions. But honestly, there is no right answer, what might be the ultimate one ski quiver for one skier might be absoulte garbage for another.
post #6 of 17
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the responce guys. I'm in Michigan so i'd use them here mostly but am planning a couple trips out west as well. Love to ski the moguls and that's what I do primarily when I go out west but a good mogul hill is really really hard to find in Michigan so that's why I need a ski that can do it all. Usually just ski the steeps and hard packed around here.
post #7 of 17
Rossi B1 was pretty good in deep snow last season, and it tracks well on hardpack. on the downside, it's VERY VERY VERY VERY damp. I think it's a bit stiffer than the previous year Bandit X too.

melloboy
post #8 of 17
either the ones your wearing or the ones you left at home.
post #9 of 17
Thread Starter 
melloboy, I was actually looking at the Rossi B1s. excuse my ignorance but what does it mean when the ski is damp? Downsides? Thanks
post #10 of 17
There are folks on this forum who can nail this, but I'll try: Lively skis have more rebound in them, esp. in the tail. They tend to be less stiff, and have less metal in them. The B1 and B2 are damp, meaning they don't snap out of the turn, they ride quietly on hardpack, whereas the lively ski is more able in moguls but a bit less tame on the hardpack. Think I got it right.

I think I know what people like and dislike about the B1 and B2. It is very easy to initiate a turn on the B2. It is forgiving, meaning it does not throw you into the back seat; this is also known as having a big sweet spot. You can stay centered and balanced on the ski easily. The downside of this ski is that it does not seem to excel at anything except being good at everything. Does that make sense? Also, if you push it hard, you don't feel much energy given back. It absorbs energy and keeps quiet. It's like a Ford sedan or a Toyota Cressida, but not a BMW or VW Passat V6.
post #11 of 17
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Originally Posted by jeffkazoo
melloboy, I was actually looking at the Rossi B1s. excuse my ignorance but what does it mean when the ski is damp? Downsides? Thanks
Skis vibrate. Lower level skis have simple constructions for the low demands and speeds of intermediate skiers. At the other end of the spectrum, GS, Super G, and downhill racing skis are dampened (take out the vibrations) according to their specific use. Different speeds and conditions cause the ski to vibrate at different frequencies.

The B1 is fairly damp but I think what was being communicated had to do with the longitudinal flex of the ski. A damp ski is like a deadened diving board and does not return the energy by spinging back dynamically. Some skis like racing skis have a lot of "spring" that can be used for unweighting movements and are like a "lively" diving board.

Higher speed skis have a different construction (layers of metal, usually titanium or titanal) as well as dampening (vibration absorbing materials) that can be either or both internal (part of the internal ski construction) or external.

Anyway, dampness (low vibration) and liveliness (springiness) are 2 independent properties of a ski and are often confused. For example, a GS ski can be damp and lively. A downhill ski can be very damp and not lively compared to a GS or SL ski.
post #12 of 17
B2 has been my choice for the past few years. Skis well in all conditions and is good in moguls if you are.
Damp, yes. That's why I like it. It's a "no brainer" ski. In other words, you don't have to think about how to ski it, to ski it. The Bandit series and now the B series are all like this. A great patroller ski as I used to be. Because I could ski all day on it in all conditions and feel totally relaxed, untireing, and allowed me to concentrate on situations around me instead of having to work at skiing.
Quiet as a mouse on hardpack too. That said, there are alot of good skis out there as mentioned above. I liked the K2 XP as well.
Several trips out West with the B2 has been fun with this ski especially in powder.
post #13 of 17
Rossi B2, wait no Salomon Xtra-Hot, er i mean Atomic R:ex... or MetronEx or M:11... no its the stormrider... definitely the stormrider... or could it be the new Legend series from Dynastar? But i always ski on a Rossignol 9S. A Volkl 6 star beats them in powder though... but so does an RX8 and an S12... but isnt the S12 almost the same ski as the new Elan SX Pro... but wait... thats a slalom ski... damn... How about a fat ski? Yes, a fat ski has to be the best all mountain ski. Maybe a Pistol or an AK Rocket... or the Mantis 777. But what about Volkl, dont they have a full line to compete in that category... yes i think they do. Glen Plake skis on race stock K2 superG skis as his all mountain skis though. Anyone have a headache yet? I could do this for several paragraphs but ill spare you the pain of reading it.
Stupid question. Its all personal opinion.
Later
GREG
post #14 of 17
Greg,

Good post!!
LOL
post #15 of 17
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Originally Posted by HeluvaSkier
. Anyone have a headache yet? I could do this for several paragraphs but ill spare you the pain of reading it.
Oh, please don't stop now. Tortured skigearholics: Now THAT's Good Television!
post #16 of 17
hm....a good analogy of ski vibrations would be....
sit in an imported sports car and drive it. you feel all the bumps and grooves in the road and stuff right?
now sit in a lexus SUV or something and drive it. you feel the contours of the road, but not so much the bumps and grooves. potholes feel less jarring, etc...

melloboy
post #17 of 17
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Originally Posted by jeffkazoo
What is the best all around ski? Must be above average in the moguls.
Uh .... Whatever is strapped to your feet on an epic powder day?

Personally my goal is to ski the bases off of every ski I come into contact with until the day I die. I'll get back to answering your question on my deathbed.
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