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A series for examination

post #1 of 14
Thread Starter 
I hope you guys aren't getting annoyed at my postings, but here is a series. This is one of two burst-series that I got. This was my second day of the year, at Windham mtn NY.

Thanks again,
post #2 of 14
Thread Starter 
There is definitly a lot of tips closer than tails as you guys pointed out from the still I posted. I didn't realize I was doing this so much!
post #3 of 14
It's not all that bad, as I said before, since you have never taken a lesson, take one now and then practice a lot...you really can't self-diagnose.

post #4 of 14
Maybe a little bit of an "A frame" and a bit in the back seat on the last photo, but otherwise, pretty darn good!
post #5 of 14
Dude, you're skiing all my old areas! I lived in Woodstock and Kingston from '83 to '86, was a member of the ski club, and skied all those Catskill areas. I'm having flashbacks!

Oh... The skiing... Right...

First, what Ott said...

Second, what are you trying to accomplish? What's your goal in asking for feedback?

After that, I may have a few other comments...

Beware: much of what you are seeing--and what has been mentioned--are more effects than causes. You can't really fix them by just trying to "not do" them.
post #6 of 14
Jamie, I'm still impressed by the sense of lateral (side to side) and fore/aft (forward and back) balance you display in your skiing. I also like the quiet upper body, relaxed arm/hand position, and general rotational alignment (shoulders, hips, knees facing same direction) with what appears to be a functional amount of counter (slight orientation to the outside of the direction the skis point).

The series does confirm a consistent wedge position in your skis, as observed in the first photo, and better explains why it's there. Prior to finishing your turn you're pushing the tail of your inside (uphill) ski away from you (while it's still light/unpressured) in an effort to redirect it into the new turn. You’re doing this so that when you finally do end the prior turn, and switch pressure to that ski you've stemmed out, you'll have already completed a portion of the new turn.

This is a valuable skill to possess, and its use is definitely appropriate in tight quarters where turns need to happen fast, but in more open spaces the negatives associated with it make it a dubious choice. Those negatives include a very harsh transition from turn to turn, mega sliding at turn initiation, inconsistent energy flow and speed maintenance, and a loss of edge feel and turn shape control. When you do this, the moment you apply pressure to the stemmed ski it goes into a power slide, which dumps speed and throws you forward. From that point you must try to quickly feather that slide into a path of travel that more closely mirrors the direction your skis point.

Bottom line is that it just introduces a lot of unnecessary clutter to the process of turning. Better to keep the old inside ski (uphill ski) parallel to the old outside ski (downhill ski) through the turn transition and do the entire direction change with a precisely controlled steer (subtle twisting of the feet/legs). This will maintain a more consistent flow of energy from turn to turn, and provide you with a smoother ride because you're always keeping your direction of travel in the same general direction your are skis pointing. As you get accustomed to this you can try playing around with different rates of steering, from quick aggressive steers to exaggeratedly long gradual steers, and you can try varying your rate of steer within a single turn, but always start each and every turn with parallel/non stemmed skis.

Finally, I would have your alignment checked, as was suggested to you earlier. It may just be a picture angle playing tricks, but shot 3 looks very weird. Your left ski appears quite flat while the leg seems to be significantly inclined.

Hope this helps.

post #7 of 14
Because you say you are relatively new to skiing and have had no real instruction, I presume from the pix that you are a fairly "natural" athlete--generally good at any sport. To me that explains Fastman's observations about your balance. One of the things that happens to "natural" skiers is that they experience the automatic weight shift to the outside ski of turns and then go with that sensation. That is, they teach themselves to pressure primarily the outside foot for each turn. They fail to learn the relatively unnatural aspects of good skiing that involve the uses of the inside ski in turns. The "natural" result is the stemming activity in anticipation of subsequent turns pointed out by Fastman.

Do you remember learning to turn from a wedge? You probably learned to "put more weight on the right ski to go left" or some similar thought. That works, so that became the focus for turns.

Try this: On gentle terrain, try to traverse in a small wedge with your weight equal on your feet. If you pay attention, you'll realize you cannot traverse in a small wedge unless you apply more weight to the downhill foot. If you equalize the weight on your feet in a wedge while traversing, you will begin to turn toward downhill. Try several traverses in each directions until you begin to really feel the "automatic" nature of how an equally weighted wedge seeks the fall line. Now start thinking about equalizing your weight in a small wedge at the ends of turns.

Once equalizing your weight becomes "natural" at the ends of turns, add raising the arch of the downhill foot as the equalizing occurs. By raising the arch, I mean tipping what becomes the new inside foot toward its little toe side. Initially this means flattening the new inside ski. Remember, this is at the end of the previous turn.

With a little momentum and still on gentle terrain, about the time you become bored out of your head, forget about using a wedge. Equalizing your weight and then rolling toward the outside edge of the new inside ski will make parallel turns with more equal use of both skis.
post #8 of 14

I'm going to simplify what Kneale said.

Find an easy slope. Start moving down the hill. If you want to go to your right point the toes of your right foot to the right. If you want to go to the left point the toes of your left foot to the left. You won't have to shift weight or try to push on the skis any more. If you want to slow down or stop just point one foot or the other up the hill. A slow point up the hill will result in a turn taking you back up the hill to slow down a quick point up the hill will result in a quick 'hockey stop' like stop.

post #9 of 14
Originally Posted by ydnar
If you want to go to the left point the toes of your left foot to the left. You won't have to shift weight or try to push on the skis any more. If you want to slow down or stop just point one foot or the other up the hill. A slow point up the hill will result in a turn taking you back up the hill to slow down a quick point up the hill will result in a quick 'hockey stop' like stop.

This really isn't as hard a we try to make it sometimes, is it? Great, simple explanation Yd!
post #10 of 14
Right on ydnar!!! Don't over think it. Left foot left. Right foot right.

post #11 of 14


Bandit: First I would like to thank you for posting your series of pictures for review. It takes alot of courage to have others provide this kind of feedback. I would also like to say once again that you have alot going for you in your skiing already.

Rather than give you alot more feedback on your skiing itself, I would like to suggest a book and video, which is very user friendly and depictive of superb skiing. It's called "The Art of Carving" by Ellen Post-Foster. She is a former national demonstration team member and a very good writer. The book and its accompanying video provide great examples of tasks, to develop the skills required to become a solid based technical skier. We have used this book and video at our program for many years, due to its very clear and precise approach to a skiers development. I'm sure you will find it worth its cost. Good luck and keep on it.

whtmt & Mackenzie 911
post #12 of 14

I also want to thank you for the pics of your skiing. The photos and the comments have helped me in my quest to develop my eye. So it`s good for me!

But how about you! I completely agree with the suggestion to have your boot/foot/leg alignment checked out. You seem to be having some difficulty getting the left ski edged enough to provide any grip that would allow you to "stand against it". So an alignment check is a must.

We instructors love to suggest drills and exercises, (I am certainly no exception) but the odd private lesson is much, much better. And as others have sugested re your skiing ability, you are well on your way. Good luck.

post #13 of 14
... I can see some snow flying off the skiis.....
post #14 of 14
Nice pics. Ditto the earlier compliments on your progress so far. I'm not a ski instructor (not even level 1 : ) but here's my tips anyway.

Now a little game for you to play when you feel like playing it. Bail out and ski how you know to at any time it feels uncomfortable or unsafe.

Part 1: First find a nice easy blue slope with manageable terain (no big moguls). Now ski straight down the hill with both ski's parallell and while keep them parallel lean to one side. As you angle your skis ( looking from the rear in cross section like this / / for left or like this \ \ for right ), feel them wanting to bite into a turn. Allow them to steer while keeping your balance and staying on top of them. You control the angle by leaning right or left, but let the interaction of the ski with the snow control where the skis go; you control only the angle (right or left lean) of the skis on the snow. Balance your weight between the two skis, keeping them parallel. Don't try and make the ski's turn left or right, just make them lean and let the snow turn them.

Part 2: Alternate between left and right turns using only the angle of your skis on the snow to control where they go.

Happy skiing
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