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Legend 8000 - So thin looking - powerful anyway?

post #1 of 23
Thread Starter 
I am getting more interested in the Dynastar Legend 8000. Question: It appears to be pretty thin. I know it has a wood core and a titanal (metal) layer, but I ask 'where's the beef' when I compare it to Atomic, Salomon, K2, and even Rossi's. Can this ski bust crud and float with grace? I demoed the Legend 4800 for only one run and it was on hardpack, so my ability to judge is obviously limited. I am also considering the Rossi B2, but I like a lively, quick ski and I read that the 8000 would be that versus the B2's dampness. Since I am looking to own one, all-conditions ski, I want quickness with ability to ski thicker powder (what I consider my weakness and want some help on). I know there have been earlier threads on the 8000, but I have not seen its thin profile addressed.
post #2 of 23
Yeah I noticed that too when I first got them, I think the construction is based on the race skis, but flattened so the flex is more versatile while retaining the great dampening. The 8000 is more than happy to cruise through choppy crud, but rather than smashing through like a race ski or flapping about at speed like the PR, the 8000 is more fluid and able to adapt to whatever turn shape and speed you want.

The cap/faom core of Atomic and Salomon may be thicker but they are lighter and I think they feel hollow on snow regardless of their flex. K2 and Rossi feel better on snow but the XP/Recon is too stiff and harsh for soft snow, and the B2 had a mushy tail. The 7:24 Pro is the closest thing to the 8000 but it just feels slower and more boring than the Dynastar.

It seems Dynastar have done away with all the pointless cosmetic ridgey caps (beta, spaceframe etc) and kept it simple with quality proven materials, and come up with a good combination of wood, fibre and metal. I think the 8000 exactly fits the bill of what you are looking for, although you may want to try them in a couple of different lengths, as you can ski it longer than most others in the mid-fat category.
post #3 of 23
Don't worry about these skis at all. I've been skiing the Intuitive Big (basically the old 8000) for a couple of years. Lets put it this way; I originally bought them as cheap used skis to use as rock skis but they have since become my every day ski for inbounds skiing. There's simply nothing this ski doesn't do well, especially busting crud which you seem concerned about. They even float really well for a ski this narrow (to me anyways). I've worked in ski shops my whole life so I've gotten to demo more than my share and I would say this is the best all around ski I have ever been on. They aren't necessarily the best ski in any category, but if you are looking for a one ski quiver I think you'd be hard pressed to find anything better.
post #4 of 23
Just to clarify, the Legend 8000 comes somewhere between the Intuitiv 74 (now called Legend 6200) and Intuitiv Big (now called Legend 8800).
post #5 of 23
Still not quite right. I'm talking about the older Intuitive Big which, along with the 8000, has an 80mm waist. The 8000 has a slighly wider tip and tail. The 8800 has an 88mm waist which in my mind makes it closer to the previous Nobis. Why do we have to keep changing the names on the same ski every year? Guess that's what makes people keep buying them.
post #6 of 23
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Originally Posted by TOLOCOMan
Still not quite right. I'm talking about the older Intuitive Big which, along with the 8000, has an 80mm waist. The 8000 has a slighly wider tip and tail. The 8800 has an 88mm waist which in my mind makes it closer to the previous Nobis. Why do we have to keep changing the names on the same ski every year? Guess that's what makes people keep buying them.
I think kiwi is closer to the truth here. The Intuitive Bigs ( green and orange ones) ( and before that the 4x4 bigs) are /were full sidewall and in a 194 ( what I've got) is 88 waist . 188 and smaller was narrower but the same ski.

Last two years? the white Inspired by Nobis and Bigs had a autodrive construction and the Nobis Pro had full sidewall. These were kinda soft, well certainly softer than the previous Bigs.
post #7 of 23
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the feedback! I have had two pairs of Salomon skis the last decade and I know the "floaty" feeling you talk about. I like it. But when the going gets tough, I think I want a bit more "bashy" feeling. I also notice the 8000 comes in a 184 cm, which could be about perfect. I have demoed some short stuff and under 180 cm, I feel uncomfortable make that big GS-style turn that I learned to love coming down Big Emma meadow at Snowbird at 40 mph.

I spent two hours on the Rossi B2 last year in packed powder and I agree with everyone else (including the ski mags) that it is "damp". Actually, my favorite demo ski last year was the K2 Mod X at 181 cm. Squaw Valley, spring conditions, so I got to try it on hardpack, slush, and perfect steep packed snow. But, it is not wide enough to be my "one ski for all conditions" ski.
post #8 of 23
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Originally Posted by kiwiski
Just to clarify, the Legend 8000 comes somewhere between the Intuitiv 74 (now called Legend 6200) and Intuitiv Big (now called Legend 8800).

Legend 6200? Never heard of it in the states and its not on the Dyna website. Is this a Euro-specific ski?

Duke
post #9 of 23
Bag; not sure what skis you're talking about. Mine are beige and orange (with Autodrive) and I just took a ruler to them; 112-80-98 in a 188. This years 8000 are 116-79-102. Sound pretty similair to me.
post #10 of 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by TOLOCOMan
Bag; not sure what skis you're talking about. Mine are beige and orange (with Autodrive) and I just took a ruler to them; 112-80-98 in a 188. This years 8000 are 116-79-102. Sound pretty similair to me.
You mean these ?


I think in a 188 and below these and the 4x4 bigs before them were 80 at the waist. but in a 194 they were 89 at the waist. Now that you mention auto drive , I think mine say that on the side, can't remember . But mine are full sidewall construction tip to tail. The next year when replaced by Inspired by Nobis which is autodrive - sidewall under foot and cap tip and tail longest available was a 188. I demoed them and found them any easy ski. Some say too soft I found it fun. Not the same ski as the previous year Bigs.

I guess my point is that our orangie greenie Bigs are more alike to the Nobis pro or this years 8800 in terms of stiffness and construction. Dimensions you are right as your 188 are slimmer . Though my 194 are pretty close to the
8800.
Edit
Did some checking. Only the Lengend pro rider has full side wall construction
Technical Features
Fullcap sidewalls
Wood core / Rohacell
Titanal / torsion box sandwich
Racing base
whereas the 8800 has
AUTODRIVE SD
Thermo active LGD base
Sandwich / Torsion box
Exotic wood core
Hull shaped tip

AUTODRIVE SD
Cap/sidewall structure
Instant turn initiation and excellent shock absorption for a smooth ride, more control and immediate improvement.

Look Mom I can copy and paste.
post #11 of 23
Yep, those are the ones. Didn't know they came in such differing dimensions in different lengths. Thanks for the info. Regardless, I still think Billiam would love this years 8000.
post #12 of 23
Thread Starter 
So, the 2005 Legend 8000 has the Autodrive SD, making it a combo cap/sidewall ski. It looks like a hell of a skinny cap, but I am used to the way my Salomon X-Scream's cap looks. It still blows me away that the 8000 is like 1/8 inch thick above the binding area. I guess you get float from the width, and power to bash from the wood/metal core.
post #13 of 23
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Originally Posted by TOLOCOMan
Yep, those are the ones. Didn't know they came in such differing dimensions in different lengths. Thanks for the info. Regardless, I still think Billiam would love this years 8000.
As I can't leave well enough alone I remebered that lineage of the Bigs was discussed over on Powder: I think this post summerizes it nicely

" I think I have most of the history of the BIG straight by now.

1. The flame-tip ski in the ebay link above is the 1999-2000 4x4 BIG model (it has orange "4x4" letters on the tail).

2. The flame-tip 2000-2001 4x4 BIG model has black "4x4" letters on the tail, and apparently has same construction and dimensions as previous year.

3. The orange tip 2001-2002 Intuitiv BIG is still same construction and dimensions as previous year's 4x4 BIG. "Intuitiv" is in the name, but no cap stuff yet---still 100% sidewall. These sell cheap nowadays because the graphics are not popular.

4. The white 2002-2003 Intuitiv BIG finally changed into a completely different ski with different dimensions and cap/sidewall hybrid construction. This is same ski as "Inspired by Nobis", just different graphics. In my opinion, this turned out to be a very disappointing, watered-down version.

5. The 2003-2004 Intuitiv BIG is same as previous year

6.1999-2000 Bigs available in Arno Adam promodel design (yellowish surfboard with flower+chameleon design) and "Limited edition" design (White/wood stripes) Same dimensions/costruction as the flamed one. Note that dimesions on all these designs vary with the lenght of the ski (194:115-85-???, 188: 112-80-???, 178: 110-78-???).

7. In 2000-2002 there was a promodel in the 194 flamedesign out as well. Same dimensions as the regular model but different flex(softer tip), different (harder) sole and a little twintip instead of the swallowtail. Supposedly only 40 pairs available of this one but I suspect this was a marketing hoax by the shops in Chamonix.

8. Supernobis/InBig Prorider out in 194 lenght for 2002-2004. Ski more like the old bigs with full on sandwich construction . Very bomber. New model of this ski is supposed to come out before christmas (maybe).


me again : if the 8000 is pretty much the previous years Inspired or Big ( same thing) I liked them in a demo. Not as burly as the previous full side wall 'Big" but a really fun ski with no speed limit. Also no longer all white top sheet which I can't see as an advantage after a spill on a powder day.
post #14 of 23
Just bumping an old thread here as I am interested in buying Inspired Nobis 188cm to save a few hundred over the 8800. I am probably unable to demo either of these skis but am currently using 177cm Bandit XX (02-03, red/white). I am 5'10 180lbs and find the XX gets kicked around way too much in choppy/variable conditions.

I was under the impression the Inspired 188cm was a pretty beefy ski and thought it was full sidewall construction, but after reading this it sounds like it is a big step down from the old Big/Super Nobis/Legend Pro, is that the case? I don't ski like Nobis but I do want something significantly beefier than my XX for my next ski (I will keep the XX around if I want to carve/go in the park etc.)
post #15 of 23
True, the 8800/Inspired doesn't quite compare to the burly construction of the SuperNobis/LegendPro. Don't be worried, the 8800 is a very worthy ski. Same wood core and metal layers as the beefier skis but the Autodrive construction saves some weight and makes the ski more versatile. It's still plenty solid and stable, I've got no problem maching through crud on my 8800s, yet they are very maneuverable and making GS turns on groomers is no problem. The lighter weight helps get around in the trees.
I'd say the SuperNobis/Pro is too much ski for the majority of skiers who are looking for an everyday ski. If you are bigger and aggressive it would be fine, otherwise the 8800 makes a great everyday ski that you can ski anywhere on the mountain (trees, crud, powder, groomers are all no problem).
Try and get out to the demo days and ski the 8800s, I know you'll be impressed. Plus they're a hell of a lot cheaper than the Pros/Supers.
post #16 of 23
Thanks Gwat,

I'm trying to find a shop to take a pair of 8800's out this weekend. The Pro would probably be too much for me considering I ski the banff/Lake Louise/Fernie region and big dumps are rare (except at Fernie). I was just worried after doing some reading that the 8800 would feel like my XX when I want a stronger ride this time around. From what you said it sounds like they should fit the bill. I tried a pair of Intuitive Big back when I was demoing for my XX's 4 or so years ago and liked them, but at the time wanted something lighter.

If I like em, hopefully be able to get my hands on a pair of 188's discounted for end of season. Definetley want something longer than my 177's.
post #17 of 23
"I have had two pairs of Salomon skis the last decade and I know the "floaty" feeling you talk about. I like it. But when the going gets tough, I think I want a bit more "bashy" feeling."

I'd say the most "bashy" feeling ski I've been on is the Atomic Big Daddy, followed by the Fischer Big Stix 10.6. I like my Volant FB's because they're quicker.
post #18 of 23
Try Techno Sport or Mountain Bike City. Or if you're coming to Fernie go to Guides Hut. They all should have demos for you.
I'm pretty sure you'll absolutely love the 8800/Inspired. It is a lot more solid than the XX. Correct me if I'm wrong but the XX don't have metal layers like the Dynastars?
post #19 of 23
Skied my new 8000s last weekend and was blown away. It was only on hard, groomed but they performed well beyond my expectations. I cannot wait to get them on a real mountain out west.

They look fragile but are substantial, lively skis in reality. Love them so far. Lots of energy when you want it and stable at speed. No problem making short radius turns either.

I am 6'1", 195lbs and skiing them in a 178cm length....no problems.

Don't know why they ski so well but I am a believer.
post #20 of 23
Thanks for the tips, I'll try MBC and I think Fresh sells dynastar too. I'm thinking 188, because my XX 177 I find too short at high speed in variable snow. Is this a good idea? I'm 5'10 180, ski pretty agressive, ex-racer, prefer GS and bigger turns, speed etc.
post #21 of 23
Yes, you definitely need the 188.
post #22 of 23
Anyone have profile pics of the 8000?
post #23 of 23
I'm sorry I've been dragging my heels on mounting my 8000's, otherwise I'd have some useful feedback. I'd be rather upset though if I had them ready for ESA, you should see the poor bases of my Rossi's!

In a related vein, if it's a crud buster you're looking for, Volant Machete Sin. It's like having tank treads on your feet.

I do look forward to riding the 8k's, but I've also been toying with mounting them as an AT setup. I'll have to decide soon. I'll update when there's news.
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