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post #1 of 26
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Bob and the EpicSki team, you guys have your work cut out for you. Like they say, "Wishing don't make it so" ... I've spend a lot of time over the past several months selecting the right equipment, thinking of ways to improve, planning weekends, even signing up for your course ... but if my disasterous attempt to ski Sunday River is any indication, NONE of that prep work has helped. I flat out STINK!
post #2 of 26
The simple fact that you recognize that you have room to improve, and you have the desire to progress are BIG steps in the right direction. Bob and his crew will do wonders to help you meet your skiing goals.
post #3 of 26
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Thanks Coach! I really don't know if you guys know what you are in for! But yes, I do know what I am doing wrong, that I am sliding my tails, not getting on edge. And the few times I am "doing it right," I can totally feel that I am doing it right. But most often, inside my head a voice is saying, "What the heck was THAT turn? Why is your left leg akimbo? Why are you initiating turns with your outside ski? Why are you dragging your poles? (Why do you even bother with poles?) And my favorite and most common mental instruction: Arrgh, turn!!!!!!!!!!!
post #4 of 26
ARRGH!!!!! And I thought my "inner voices" were headache inducing!
Quit worrying so much! Bob Barnes and company have been doing a great job of "de-gaperizing" my skiing. They can surely fix yours, but your inner critic is your worst enemy.

Allow yourself to enjoy the snow, and feel the sensuality of the movements, without worrying if you're "doing it wrong.'' So much of what is considerd "good technique" actually involves tuning into your intuition, and allowing yourself to surrender to the mountain instead of fighting it. Let it happen, don't try to make it happen. You worry too much. Leave the evaluation process to the experts. In the mean time, enjoy!
post #5 of 26
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Lisamarie
your inner critic is your worst enemy. ... You worry too much.
Gosh if I had a nickle for each time someone has said THAT to me!
post #6 of 26
I'll race you too see who gets rich first!
post #7 of 26
Thread Starter 
Cute. Are you going to the ETU?
post #8 of 26
Nah, since I no longer live in Boston, I have no reason to ski the Eats. I did go last year, and you will learn to ski the worst of Eastern conditions. I will be at ESA, and fortunately, living out here, I can ski with Barnes and friends pretty frequently. You'd be amazed at what you can learn from simply watching them.
I will be at ESA.
post #9 of 26
Stop agonising about little things like edges and suchlike! Set yourself some macro stuff, like turning to a rythem. That'll get you out of the jerky sequential feeling and get everything chiming together. Maybe it won't be technically perfect but it'll start to feel like the real thing. Follow someone who keeps turning, or take some music with you, or just chant a beat or count or something. Sounds like you are paralysing yourself with too much thinking.
post #10 of 26
Relax Roto. Last year was my first Epic course (ETU). I was so frightened that I wasn't good enough that I almost didn't go. Actually, Oboe convinced me to go and I couldn't have been happier. The teachers are great. You will be paired in a group you are comfortable with and you will have a great time. I improved greatly as a result and can't wait to get back this year. So, just come and have a great time. I still can't ski like most of these guys (ya, ya...gals, people etc...) but this year I'm not worried about it. I know it will be a great experience.
post #11 of 26

your work cut out for you.

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Originally Posted by RotoFury
NONE of that prep work has helped. I flat out STINK!
Throw away those sand bags and you'll get better overnight.



(Nice try, though.) [/admiration]
post #12 of 26
I suspect the course will really help. I attended ESA I which was four days long. However, the benefits contined to accrue through the entire season. It was really rather amazing. I suspect it is a combination of learning to do some things correctly and muscle memory. Who knows? But it works. Good luck.
post #13 of 26
Thread Starter 
I took one lesson two years ago, but the instructor and I didn't gel. He kept getting frustrated that I was not "turning UP the mountain" ... I thought the goal was to go DOWN the mountain! :-) I know, I know, carvers slow by turning up the mountain rather than skidding, yadda. But the guy and I just didn't click. He was terribly annoyed by my slower-than-expected ability to grasp what he was saying. We had some long and silent chair lift rides come end of the half-day!
post #14 of 26
RF, you are going to find that so much of what works in ski instruction has to do with finding someone who "talks your language." Sometimes, even the instructor's level of certification is irrelevant. I've received fabulous tips from a level 1 instructor, whereas, I had one level 3 who just didn't know how to work with people.

Different images and descriptions will work for different people. I notice this a lot, when Mark and I ski with some of the locals out here. Somebody will give me an image to focus on and it will really work for me, whereas it will be totally meaningless to Mark.

The key to finding the right teacher is to look for someone who has a high level of commitment to not only the sport, but to the art of teaching it!

Such instructors have more than one method of communication, because they want you to get it!

When you attend ETU, you will have instructors who are leaving the good snow and warmer temps of Colorado to come East and ski in ice and sub zero temps. These are pros who would be filling up their days with private lessons if they stayed in their home resort.

That's what I call commitment! Don't worry! You will find someone who talks your language!

Ah! Coincidence! U2's Stuck in the Moment just came on the radio. That song always plays when I'm overly hung up about ski technique. Listen to the lyrics, next time you go out!
post #15 of 26
RF,

I'm the quintessential gaper. This will only be my 3rd year on skis and I spent most of last year on the unable to perform list. But I did attend ETU and by the end my technique was vastly improved. Unfortunately, I wasn't able to get the mileage I needed to really engrain the skills. I think you'll be amazed at how much your skiing will improve at ETU. Also, if you're visit to SR was your first time out this year I think it's pretty common to be very rusty. So forget about how you skied at SR, just go to ETU eager to learn, and you will.
post #16 of 26
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Originally Posted by RotoFury
Thanks Coach! I really don't know if you guys know what you are in for! But yes, I do know what I am doing wrong, that I am sliding my tails, not getting on edge. And the few times I am "doing it right," I can totally feel that I am doing it right. But most often, inside my head a voice is saying, "What the heck was THAT turn? Why is your left leg akimbo? Why are you initiating turns with your outside ski? Why are you dragging your poles? (Why do you even bother with poles?) And my favorite and most common mental instruction: Arrgh, turn!!!!!!!!!!!
RotoFury, you need a lesson from Ott....

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Originally Posted by Ott Gangl
.....Over fifty years ago back home in the Bavarian Alps I learned the formula, I'll give it to you now so you can 'think' about it now BECAUSE ALL THINKING WILL BE OUTLAWED THERE WHILE SKIING!

Here is the formula:

In the morning, before we start to ski we drink three shots of Jaegermeister and chase it with a beer. That is just enough to still keep your equilibrium and balance but it will suspend all THINKING.

The litmus test if you have it just right is that after a few turns you should feel like YODELING and NOT be aware that you are on skis, it doesn't matter if you know how to yodel or not and all skiers around you should look like angels floating down the slope.

If, after a few turns you 'think' " I don't feel like yodeling and I'm still aware of my skis and all skiers around me look like hacks" , you are 'thinking' too much and you need a reinforcing shot of Jaegermeister.

If, on the other hand, you notice that you fall down after releasing at the end of every turn, three shots were too much, understandable since Jaegermeister affects people with lower body weight more than us normal heavyweights.

In that case you need to sit on the sun deck for an hour, making sure you take off your goggles or sun glasses so you won't look like an owl when you get home and it also helps to hold one of those reflective shields under your chin. In my case, I also need to take my hat off so my bald head doesn't look like I'm wearing a scull cap.

When the skiers on the slope look like angels floating down the hill it is time to put your skis back on.

After a good and plenty lunch, three shots of Jaegermeister will assure that your nap will be restful and that when you wake up you are prepared to go to happy hour (or tea dance, when in Europe) and enjoy your manhattens.

Anderl Molterer, a hot shot racer in the olden times had it right with the exception that he chased his Jaegermeisters with champagne. Easy for him, since he never had to pay for it.

So now you know. Start practicing "NOT THINKING WHILE SKIING".

....Ott
You'll have a blast at ETU, don't give it another thought

And pay no attention to Lisa ...I have it from a sound source that: "there is no ice at Stowe!"

See ya there,

Chris

[Edit] Ok, to be fair, ice is available for your beverages at Stowe:
post #17 of 26
Thread Starter 
CGEIB/OTT ... Now THAT was great!
post #18 of 26
'nuff said!
post #19 of 26
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Originally Posted by teachskiljp
'nuff said!
Awesome! That gets me pumped for ETU, what year is that pic from?
post #20 of 26
I'm not sure, I think it's from the mid to late 40's. It's time for it to be renewed. I say a new one should be made at the 2004 ETU.
post #21 of 26
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Originally Posted by RotoFury
Thanks Coach! I really don't know if you guys know what you are in for! But yes, I do know what I am doing wrong, that I am sliding my tails, not getting on edge. And the few times I am "doing it right," I can totally feel that I am doing it right. But most often, inside my head a voice is saying, "What the heck was THAT turn? Why is your left leg akimbo? Why are you initiating turns with your outside ski? Why are you dragging your poles? (Why do you even bother with poles?) And my favorite and most common mental instruction: Arrgh, turn!!!!!!!!!!!
My latest instructor has words to say on this thinking.....

DO NOT FOCUS ON THE BAD TURNS... they are finished & thinking on them can only teach you to ski bad turns.....

Instead focus on the good turns - they are the ones you want to learn to do - they can teach you more....
post #22 of 26
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Originally Posted by teachskiljp
I'm not sure, I think it's from the mid to late 40's. It's time for it to be renewed. I say a new one should be made at the 2004 ETU.
I'll bring the camera!
post #23 of 26
This is how I think the 2004 version might look.
post #24 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by teachskiljp
This is how I think the 2004 version might look.
Looks good to me!
post #25 of 26
RotoFury, don't worry. Last year I tried skiing at my local hill, Yawgoo Valley, before heading to ETU. I felt like I had never been on skis before, I could barely make it down the beginner tow-rope hill (or up for that matter.) If they could deal with me they'll have no trouble with you, I'm sure!
post #26 of 26

Work so cleanly cut out.

Quote:
Originally Posted by bvibert
Looks good to me!
bvibert, I am not sure we can manage. That person was an absolute deity, to hold that much beer and be that precise!

In absolute admiration of '40s skiers now.
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