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Higher DIN in powder?

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
I had a great weekend in Kootenay powder but seemed to be toeing (sp?) out of my bindings alot.

I have always been of the mind set that, for the few times per year that I lose a ski, I may as well leave the DIN lower and lessen the chance of a knee injury.

But I was losing my ski three to four times per day which got a little frustrating.

Was the last weekend ananomaly or is there significantly more resistance in pow and therefore I should crank the DIN up for freshies?
post #2 of 17
I ski about 2-3 settings higher on the DIN than the charts say for my weight/ability, in all conditions. I got sick of prereleases as well, but I have never had a problem in powder alone. Usually I had these problems when I was on the steeps and would hit something hard under the snow. With a higher DIN setting you can weight that ski and power through/around the object. A ski coming off on a very steep, rocky chute can be more dangerous than an injury, but it is your decision to raise your DIN. Crank them up slowly if you are going to do it, experiment. Remember, there are no friends on powder days, so you will be on your own finding your ski!
post #3 of 17
For me to tell you crank up your bindings in Pow would make me liable, as i'm sure all our Law Bears would know. So, I will just say that I do! If you read back through the threads here you will find all kinds of debate on this topic.
post #4 of 17
Thread Starter 
I should add that most of the toe-outs were at low speed. I wasn't cruising when they would eject. I was coming to stop or making a broad turn to to change terrain or lines.
post #5 of 17
What binding?
post #6 of 17
Thread Starter 
Salomon 900's

I got them with the Salomon ski 2 years ago.

No complaints about them........so far.

I should also add that I have had them come off while landings some relatively small jumps where the landing is kind of flat.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ December 18, 2001 12:48 PM: Message edited 2 times, by worldfishnski ]</font>
post #7 of 17
Another question. I've not used Salomons in years. Do you still need to adjust the toe "wings" for height? The ol' 1mm card between the boot sole and AFD? Is that still in adjustment?
Have you changed boots since you have had those skis?

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ December 18, 2001 12:58 PM: Message edited 1 time, by John J ]</font>
post #8 of 17
Worldfishnski: What is your weight and boot sole length (usually on the outside of the heel and in mm?) What are they currently set at? You may have a forward pressure problem. When your boot is in the binding the small etched triangle or arrow (on the heel piece) should be between the forward and rear lines marked on the binding frame.
post #9 of 17
You should raise your release setting in powder only if your knee ligaments are stronger in powder.

The problem you describe is not very common with Salomon bindings, it sounds like a Marker problem. Who set your bindings?

You may be able to cause a pre-release with the spheric toepiece if you put a lot of weight on the front of the ski with a strong rotation. Were you in the back seat when the releases happenned or more forward?

Check out the link below for more info on binding problems.

Vermont Ski Safety website
post #10 of 17
I have 2 pair of skis with S900s and my son has 2. I ski with my DIN 1/2 less than what the charts say and never have blown out of the toe. My son skis extremely fast in powder & crud with his DIN 1 below what the charts say & never has a problem.

I would have your bindings checked to see if the forward pressure on the heel piece is set properly. Having the heel piece set at the wrong length for your boot will cause the toe to release easier.
post #11 of 17
Hey, whippersnappers. This old timer is shopping for new skis. I'm 6'1", 190 lbs, been skiing 195 Rossignol ST Comps hard and fast.
What's this DIN stuff? What DIN range should I look for in a binding? I'm going to do some bidding on e-bay and don't want to get a binding without a high enough DIN. Thanks.
post #12 of 17
I don't think that in powder it is such a problem as compared to cut up crud, bumps, and other terrain where you get thrown around in a lot. I know that this weekend it was very heavy, cut up powder and I was making fast GS turns through it and released out of my heels a few times in the middle of a turn. My din is already at 11 so I don't want to go any higher. I would agree that a higher din setting in specific conditions would be helpfull but the question is, is it the best decision.
post #13 of 17
Problem is probably in your skiing, not the binding. Skiing in the back seat in pow will cause your bindings to pre-release more often, due to the upward pressure put on the toe piece.

Try committing to the fall line more, and see how you do.

By the way, cranking your bindings down a notch or two isn't that bad, really, so do what you feel comfortable with.
post #14 of 17
JimBobBubba - Be VERY careful buying on e-bay. I just had a look at the bindings there and they have a lot of crap. Also note which bindings are not appearing, there are almost no Look or Rossi bindings, everyone wants to hold onto theirs. DIN range (up to 11 or 12 should be fine for you) is not the only concern, most of the Marker bindings for sale are models well known for pre-releasing. If it looks too good to be true it probably is.
post #15 of 17
Your din settings are fine.
It's your skills that need the work.
post #16 of 17
In the powder, you're probably twisting the skis around with muscle power instead of putting them on edge and letting them come around for you. I think your answer is technique, not screwdrivers. Think of rolling both skis on edge and turning something like an airplane banking and turning.

My bindings have been set for years so that I can twist hard while standing still and come out of the toes. If I pull up hard, the heels release. I never have a release unless I hit something, and I ski in powder, hard pack, crust, etc.

post #17 of 17
-we can surmise till the cows come home, but the reason for the toe outs is not necessarily the DIN setting. It can result from a couple things (including improper wing adjustment, faulty bindings, and/or loose binding screws). Here's what I would suugest our friend do:

First, go to a certified shop and have them investigate thoroughly. Second, if the bindings are deemed problem free: you can choose to adjust your DIN setting, as many of us do, but I would suggest you have a shop tech show you how.... yes, I'm serious. I've seen enough people do it wrong. Don't increase it more than 1/2 DIN per change. Once the pre-releases diminish to two a day or less, then you're probably fine. Your comment about higher than normal DIN's leading to injury is correct, so be mindful.

When you go from groomed to crud, and your body gets thrown forward a bit as your skis slow down, a significant force is applied to the binding. Mixed terrain often requires higher DIN settings. Let's beat this to death one more time When it comes to increasing DIN, proceed with caution.
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