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Request: Base layer recommendation

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On cold, cold days I ski with a Orange (brand, not color) Gortex-like spring ski jacket beneath a North Face parka. On these days a Hot Chillys thermal crew neck suffices under the two layers of jackets. However, on days that it's not cold enough for two jackets, I can never quite find the right layer of clothing to wear under my parka. The Hot Chillys shrit is not warm enough, but then if I start layering on sweatshirts and such, I just get too bulky. Does anyone know of a warm technical fabric shirt that works well as the sole layer under a parka?

If you know of a particular brand or the name of the fabric let me know and I'll search eBay.

post #2 of 8

2 membranes on a . . . . . . . .

RotoFury, I don't think you're trapping enough air underneath TNF. Lose the second membrane (Orage) and switch to a mid-to-expedition weight waffle-print fleece (Regulator R3 say ) or (my pref.) Wind Pro fleece.

If that -still- isn't sufficient, look for a silkweight next-to-skin as previously discussed in the Hot Chillys thread and also check for gaps in the armor such as at the collar, ears and kidneys.

Now give us a hard one
post #3 of 8
What Comprex said. Another excellent midlayer fabric (my favorite, but I ski in the warmth of sunny Colorado) is Powerstretch.
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Hi Roto: I have found that a number of garmets in Patagonia's "R" line of clothing combined with an EMS Bergelene top work very well together. For instance in Patagonia's line I use the R .5 crew top, the R1 Flash top, and the EMS Bergelene medium weight top with special thumb holes, which is really an old climbing design. I add to this a Patagonia mock turtle capilene shirt. I use this combo for temps from 10 to 25 degrees under a hard shell by Marmot or Mt. Hardware. I mix and match them based on the combination of temp, humidity, and my planned activities. If the temps are well below 10 degrees I then add a Patagonia 4-way stretch fleece top. It is somewhat bulky, but allows complete freedom of movement and is extremely warm and semi-windproof. Northern New England weather can be very raw if a nor-easter comes in.

One new item from Patagonia I plan to add this season is their new "Axuwool Hoody". This is a technical garment with an attached hood that will fit under your helmet, which is a wool/capilene blend. I tried one on today and it appears that it will be a great addition to my base layer group. Not cheap, but I believe you get what you pay for. Good luck.

whtmt & Mackenzie 911
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www.sierratradingpost.com I use there light weight Wickers as a base layer than www.campmor.com 200 wt fleece pants and a 200wt fleece jacket and one of eithers $13.00 T necks under my TNF shells. Seems to keep warm on most days. When it's sub zero I'll wear a 100wt T neck or my new favorite Micro fleece top under the 200wt fleece. I have been wearing this combo for years here in NE.
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Marker had a line of microfleece a few years ago that I really liked, and ended up buying about 4 of them. I beleive they were the "T" series, and are now called "Lifestyle Flex-zip T-Neck." On all but the coldest days, I find that underarmor, one of the marker fleeces, and my insulated Marker jacket were all that was necessary. On warmer days, the fleece is too thin to really effectively block wind without a shell, but a soft shell or gore-tex shell does just fine.
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Thread Starter 
OMG! I just figured out how to classify skis, now I have all this other gear to decipher! Thanks for your help all. I think I should just pay retail and go to EMS to have someone say, "Buy this this and this."
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So okay, I don't know crap about skis, but I do know a boatload about winter training and the too hot / too cold / wicking deal. If your baselayer is not performing its function correctly, you will never find a happy medium. You'll overheat on the runs, get sweaty and damp, then freeze your ass off on the lift.

I bike, snowshoe, run, hike, ski and climb with Craft as my baselayer. I was on a cycling team with a Craft sponsorship a few years back, and since then, I've never used anything else, even tho I have to pay full retail now.

Here's a good link to get started: http://www.craft-usa.com/frameset.php?back=99 Their baselayers come in multiple weights, and all are highly technical wicking fabrics that feel great next to the skin, and better yet, keep you dry. They even have a technical wool line, for those who prefer natural fabrics. And the Craft line is sold in many of the ski shops I've been in.

Good luck!
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