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ski fitness indeed.

Check the 'Trampoline to Ball." :


post #2 of 15

Ball Jump!!!!!!!!!!!!

I think balls in a row is much better. Has a definate "ring" to it. It hurts just to look at it, ouch! : They should be wearing knee, elbow, wrist, and butt guards. I don't think a helmet would help. You need to have brains to protect for a helmet. :
post #3 of 15
Yeah someone mentioned this in the squat thread. Is this functional exercise or Stupid Human Tricks. Something to consider: Risk to Reward Ratio.....hmmmmm
post #4 of 15
Originally Posted by T-Square
I think balls in a row is much better. Has a definate "ring" to it. It hurts just to look at it, ouch! : They should be wearing knee, elbow, wrist, and butt guards. I don't think a helmet would help. You need to have brains to protect for a helmet. :
Did you see the way he fell off on the last jump? Classic ACL tear mechanisms!

Hey, did ya' tear your ACL hucking of a cliff?
Nah, I was jumping off a couple of balls, man!:

BTW, you can do a safer variation of that exercise off a couple of bosus. The last time I checked, a mogul looks more like a bosu than a stability ball!
post #5 of 15
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LM, that is World Cup downhiller A.J. Bear (Australian injured last season after exploding on the Camel Jumps at Val Gardena) doing some "dryland."

He obviously thinks the risk is worth the rewards. I suspect most racers at that level understand why he's doing it. Not really geared toward recreational skiing, obviously.
post #6 of 15
I definitely agree. I just get a bit scared when the average Joe Skier thinks that this is an acceptable training program. At my studio. most of my students are experienced ski instructors, with 15-30 years of skiing under their belt. Most of them have trouble standing on the Bosu. A stability ball would be insane.
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It is tough to see, but the balls are on a mat. I don't know how much that helps, but the first time I watched it I thought they were on the gym floor and I expected him to be carried off on a stretcher. Some people just love high risk activities!! LewBob
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Note in "Balls in a Row" the guy has a CAST on his left arm!!!!: Would you want to be his orthopod????? Absolutely freaking amazing!
post #9 of 15
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ya gotta believe the (soon to be isolated) downhill racer gene holds the same "stuff" that has people doing stuff like this guy. i'd bet he's also skydived, toured the autobahn at 130 mph and at least contemplated the rush that comes with swimming with sharks.

or, "cast, schmast, i have sponsors to satisfy."
post #10 of 15
Yeah, if his racing career doesn't pan out he can always join Circ de Solie (sp)!
post #11 of 15
I think it's pretty standard fare for low-point FIS racers to do a variety of pretty aggressive balance exercises standing (or jumping) onto a physio ball. Even aging masters racers do this. Check out the illustrated ball jumps near the bottom of page 1 of this thread (admittedly, far less extreme, but still impressive):


IMHO, whole body balancing exercises, especially when you're doing things like catching a medicine ball, also work your core and legs, and seem to mimic the really hard part of skiing (lots of adjustments, like skiing through four inches of cut-up fresh snow on top of ice) which are otherwise hard to replicate in the gym, no matter how many squats and lunges you do.

I think (as a guy who hasn't yet gotten there, but is trying) that the key is to work up to it. Balance is one skill that improves hugely with training, and there are lots of simple, inexpensive balance training tools you can use at home, moving up from 1-footed balancing on a crumpled towel, to using a foam roller, to a bosu, to a bongo board, to a wobble board, to a physio ball.

But padding/soft turf (and maybe starting with balance aids like long poles) seem to be key, especially the higher off the ground you are.
post #12 of 15
Yep. If you do a search on this site, the Health and Fitness Forum has four pages filled with about a gazillion safe but challenging inexpensive strength and balance training exercises, as well as detailed discussions about the theory behind this sort of training. Additionally, anyone who participates in ESA gets an emailed program with close to 40 of this type of exercise, complete with photos and video demos.

In many cases, it's not how soft the landing turf is the determines the severity of the fall, but the biomechanics involved. After all, people have torn their ACLs in deep powder.

While most epic participants are pretty smart, I'm always concerned with the one person who thinks they can start with this sort of program. As a trainer who specializes in this sort of training, I'm not sure people are aware of the biomechanical evaluation process clients are put through before embarking on advanced balance training. Any significant muscle imbalances. which most of have, can have adverse effects on the exercise.

In this scenario, the BEST that can happen is that you compensate with the wrong hypertronic muscle group. As far as the worst, the possibilities are endless.
post #13 of 15
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nice link, sfdean

this is not a recreational skier.

his goal is the podium, to ski fast as hell down a demanding, oftentimes harrowing course, to be able to catch huge air and stick the landing in pretty much a tuck and get to the next gate as fast and cleanly as he is able. we here at epic, with maybe one or three exceptions, will never come remotely close to the kind of skiing he (and other men and women like him) experiences in competition.

i'm sure it's understood as a given that prepping for a world cup season and career has very little to do with "training" for a 30- or 50- or 100-day season cruising around the local mountain.

for purposes of further discussion, let it be made clear here for the rare recreational turner who's unsure: don't try this at home, unless you've got a yen to add to the darwin award list.

tamer stuff http://www.fitter1.com/2001_world_cup.html

("A few interesting observations I made were that the most aggressive athletes, when it came to balance and reaction training products were the Austrians.")

by the way, i've looked for but have been unable to find ANYthing related to the austrian team's training regimen; if anyone has anything, i'd really appreciate it. PM me. thanks.

edit: one more found object, from sportsfilter.com: "BTW, AJ Bear is a 27-year-old member of the Australian ski team, who specializes in speed events and whose highest World Cup finish to date was a 21st place finish in a super G at Val Gardena in '02. His team is about what you'd expect the Australian Ski Team to be -- I couldn't find an official team website, but I did find this. So, in other words, the Australian Ski Team is about what you'd expect, and this guy is a fairly typical product. And he can still do that crazy stuff on a balance ball. Makes you wonder what the big dawgs on the World Cup do in the gym..."
post #14 of 15
That tramp jump is impressive. More my style is when he rolls from a sit to a kneel to a stand on the ball. The transition is gracefully done, esp. the sit to kneel.

I'm now on the search for graceful movement rather than pure athleticism-(not that I really have a choice).
post #15 of 15
Ryan - don't know about their team but I did ski with a staatliche this season just gone & he is very into core strength.... it is part of what they are taught in their training.... he tells me that they are all HEAVILY into fitball stuff....
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