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post #1 of 19
Thread Starter 
I've used nothing but Salomon for about the last x years, but this year am getting set up with a pair of Markers. I think it's the 1200 Free, with the air cushion pad to absorb big shocks. Anyone used these or know anything about them?

Cheers

JB
post #2 of 19
I have switched back and forth from Salomon to Marker and back to Salomon. I went from 444's and 727's to MMR's then back to Salomon when the 957,997's (driver toe with elongated wings) came out and have been back with Marker ever since. I was not crazy about Markers 46,48,51,54 toes, I felt the elasticity was not there, but the new series does look better. At this point, I don't think there is a bad binding out there. My only concern with this new series from Marker is two fold, there has been some question on its durability, there has been word of internal parts breaking and its *weight.


*Being a convicted Volant skier, I waive all rights about weight of a product.
post #3 of 19
I like Tyrolia bindings, they've never prereleased on me (not like the Salomons I once had), plus they are one of the most refined binding designs out there.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ November 06, 2001 03:33 PM: Message edited 1 time, by Mike B ]</font>
post #4 of 19
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Mike B:
I like Tyrolia bindings, they've never prereleased on me (not like the Salomons I once had), plus they are on of the most refined binding designs out there.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I second this..they don't seem to get much respect, but Tyrolia have done me very well.
post #5 of 19
I have been using salomon and in last season i changed to rossignol. i have axial 120 pro bindings and they have worked really good. i won't change back to salomon

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ November 06, 2001 08:41 AM: Message edited 1 time, by Ville/Finland ]</font>
post #6 of 19
I have used Salomon, Look and Rossignol bindings. As a former shop tech, I am concerned about durability, smoothness of release, design, and elasticity. As a victim of bilateral ACL reconstructive surgery, I am concerned about any design that reduces rotational torque while permitting elasticity.

IMHO, the only design that fully addresses my concerns is the Look turntable heel/Geze toe combination found in the Look Pivot/Rossi Axial bindings.

However, I do have Salomon bindings on my 2d pair of skis.
post #7 of 19
I have been using both Marker & Salomon for the past 10 years on numerous skis. Both brands have worked well with few problems except the last pair of Markers I bought. They are some 9.1 SC2 Logics and I've blown out of the heels a few times. Each time I was bombing through heavy, chopped crud on my Supermountains so the conditions were extreme. I ended up setting my heel DIN up one notch to prevent this from happening (something I'm not too fond of doing but considering how low the heel release tested out in the shop I'm not worried). I haven't had a similar problem with my Salomons or other Markers. I will note that my other Markers have all been racing version and the pair I'm having problems with are not. Also, I had these Markers on some Rossignol 9Ss I used for mogul skis and never had a problem with them blowing out in the moguls which I ski aggressively.

As for binding loyalty, I am switching to Rossignol bindings mainly because of the offer to extend my new skis warrantee & the deal I got by staying with one brand. I think any of the upper-end Marker, Salomon, Look & Rossi binding would suit my purposes.
post #8 of 19
My theory on bindings: If you own a salomon ski use salomon bindings, rossi... rossi, dynastar... look, or rossi... etc. For companies that are not affiliated with a binding manufacturer go with what you want. But i do think that skis and bindings are designed to work together more now than they ever have, and by putting a marker or salomon on top of a dynastar autodrive plate you miss out on the potential performance of the ski/plate/binding system. This is all opinion of course, i dont have any hard facts regarding this, but it seems like it would make sense. I favor salomon bindings, mostly because its easy to get a lot of lift or a built in plate for very cheap, and they are easy to come by. Rossi and look are quite expensive compared to the salomon bindings i have bought, and you rarely see them on sale. I tend to favor the poweraxe bindings from salomon, as i feel that they serve the purpose for the kind of skiing i do. Although im sure any other company would work also; there isnt a binding made right now that has a bad release... although i have not heard a lot about nordica bindings.
later
GREG
post #9 of 19
Johnny Boy,

I think Marker has the best sliding AFD technology of anyone. Add the upward release and the new piston binding technology, and I think you have a fine binding of the highest order. The only reason to buy Salomon bindings is that if they are on new Salomon skis, you get an extra year of warranty on both. Their AFD is a piece of plastic Teflon, which wears out and get grooved and gritty, and ultimately compromises the effectiveness of binding release.

Also Salomon has diagonal toe release, but not upward release which in about 1-3% of the backward falls is quite useful in terms of a timely release. Helps save the ACL !

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ November 06, 2001 02:12 PM: Message edited 1 time, by wink ]</font>
post #10 of 19
Anyone who remembers "bear traps", "long thongs","Cubco", and those cable heel hold down jobbers may agree that today, they're ALL good. However, the design and function of the Look/Rossi turntables gives me the most confidence and have not pre-released [as Markers sometimes have]. If I bought Salomon Pilots, of course, I'd have no choice, and I wouldn't worry about it.
post #11 of 19
Johnny Boy: The Marker 'big AIR PADS' are just a 4mm rubber strip that replaces the ordinary lifters. I am not convinced they will really soften landings as they claim, because the mounting screws will still fix the spacing between binding and ski and a millimeter of travel won't do much to soften landings. My biggest concern is that edging feel and power will be sacrificed by the pads. Unless you spend all your time in the park and pipe just stick with ordinary lifters.

Also I think there is enough anecdotal evidence about Marker's reputation for pre-releasing to make anyone think twice before committing to putting Marker bindings on their skis. Personally the only brand I have complete confidence in is Look/Rossi.
post #12 of 19
I like the design of the Look/Rossi pivots, but I'm not a fan of their durability. I had a pair of Look 9.0 Pivots put on my twins last year and I blew out the toe piece the first day I used them. I mean, the toe piece literally exploded. It just looked like a ball of torn up plastic. Look replaced the toe piece, but I've noticed that I've torn hunks of plastic off the corners of the toe pieces on both skis since then. I think the bindings would be great if the plastic used was a little more durable more like the material Salomon uses. By the way, I've never touched the DIN on my Looks, so it isn't a matter of me cranking my DIN so high that the boot literally tears the binding apart until it releases.
post #13 of 19
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Heluvaskier:
My theory on bindings: If you own a salomon ski use salomon bindings, rossi... rossi, dynastar... look, or rossi... etc. For companies that are not affiliated with a binding manufacturer go with what you want. But i do think that skis and bindings are designed to work together more now than they ever have, and by putting a marker or salomon on top of a dynastar autodrive plate you miss out on the potential performance of the ski/plate/binding system. This is all opinion of course, i dont have any hard facts regarding this, but it seems like it would make sense. I favor salomon bindings, mostly because its easy to get a lot of lift or a built in plate for very cheap, and they are easy to come by. Rossi and look are quite expensive compared to the salomon bindings i have bought, and you rarely see them on sale. I tend to favor the poweraxe bindings from salomon, as i feel that they serve the purpose for the kind of skiing i do. Although im sure any other company would work also; there isnt a binding made right now that has a bad release... although i have not heard a lot about nordica bindings.
later
GREG
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

A couple of replies here:

1> Along with a ski/binding just working better...warrenties tend to be longer when htey are of the same make.
2> I use Salomon and Markers exclusivly because I have jigs for them (my inlaws like Marker better than Salomon).
3>Nordica Bindings.. I saw some at a swap..wimpy bindings.

Also..FWIW, IMHO, nothing looks more wrong than a Salomon ski with a non-Salomon binding on it. I can see a Rossi with something else or Dynastar or what-have-you, but a Salomon with a Marker or a Look or Rossi, just looks wrong. Maybe because there were Salomon bindings before the ski, I don't know...
post #14 of 19
Phil: It is good to know that some people are still making decisions that affect their safety based on appearance. - "I'll have a pair of blue skis please."

As for particular ski/binding combinations working better, how? How do bindings with a similar mounting footprint and style of lifter feel different? Are you saying that with a particular pair of skis you could tell the difference between brands of bindings?

When it comes to durability, all designs and materials can fail. I had an old style Look toepiece wing split down the center even though it was a single piece of metal alloy. I tend to go with mechanically simple designs, there is less to go wrong, Marker has a terrible record in this respect. 7 Mary 3 - if you are kicking your bindings with your edges it's time to get your feet apart, the eighties are over.
post #15 of 19
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by kiwiski:
7 Mary 3 - if you are kicking your bindings with your edges it's time to get your feet apart, the eighties are over.<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

It's harder to spin with your feet apart than together. Remember he was on a pair of twins
post #16 of 19
The plastic is being ripped off on the underside, or I suppose you could say inside of the toepiece, not on the outside so it has nothing to do with my skis being too close together. It has to do with the toe of my boot tearing the plastic off.
post #17 of 19
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Johnny Boy:
I've used nothing but Salomon for about the last x years, but this year am getting set up with a pair of Markers.
Cheers
JB
<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm sorry.
post #18 of 19
Is it just me, or do bindings seem to generate more blind loyalty, strange logic, and urban lore than any other piece of skiing equipment?..weird. :

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ November 08, 2001 08:31 AM: Message edited 1 time, by Lodro ]</font>
post #19 of 19
Yeah, bindings generate alot of controversy for a device that has the least effect on performance of all ski equipment. If someone's pants are too tight they are likely to suffer a greater decrease in perfomance than if they have Salomon vs Look bindings. Let's face it, boot's screwed straight into a ski will perform reasonably well.
As a racer for the last ten years I have skied on absolutely every binding on the market. My personal preference is Salomon but that doesn't explain why my 4 pairs of skis have Look, Marker Tyrolia and, yes Salomon binding's on them. My opinion is that you should ski on whatever fits your ski if it has pre-drilled holes on it's plate for a certain set of bindings, this just makes logistical sense. If you have Salomon ski's for example and have a choice in the matter, get Salomon binding's, everyone will think you're cool. If you have a pair of any other brand of binding's kickin' around that will do nicely, mount them, (as long as they are tested to be safe!) and go ski. Do you really care if some Gorb on the lift notices that your binding's don't match your skis, or do you care that you find the best lines, the deepest snow and have the most fun. I hope so. As far as pre-releasing goes, different binding's will have different mechanical functions that effect their spring tension ect, so get your binding's tested in a shop. If you have an existing pair of bindings mounted that work well for you make a comparison with the new setup to see how much force is needed to release the binding so you can find a suitable DIN setting to make you a happy skier. I honestly don't think that there is a superior binding out there. Races are won on different bindings all the time (sure Atomic win's more but that's cuz it's attatched to their skis), big cliff's are hucked with all sort's of bindings, big jibb's are laid down with the same, the landing is the biggest factor in what releases and what doesn't. If there was a superior binding out there, all the consumer group's and ski magazines ect would have discovered it and proclaimed it's superiority already (even if the company didn't contribute the most advertising dollars, so obviously Salomon's aren't superior ). Some binding's break more than others and that's a fact of life. My experience with the current Look/Rossignol configuration is that they have a greater propensity to bust than do other's on the market. If you check out skireview or whatever that sight is, this can be Anecdotally confirmed. Maybe that's why they come with the better warranty than other's. However, the older Look's (Z series) were bomber, and that's probably why they re-released them this year as their top race binding.

If you've made it this far in my rant I will sign off with: buy what you like, get them tested so your DIN setting matches your weight, ability ect, and don't question yourself if you have a bad landing and get injured whether another brand of binding's would have saved you ACL, MCL or whatever it is that you break/tear. I honestly don't think there is a superior binding out there, and if there is, safety and pre-release are a trade off.

Just my $0.02, although it probably sounds more like 10 cents by now.
Cheers
Trevor
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