Sorry, Medmarkco. Thanks for the clarification.
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11/12/04 at 6:12am
Originally Posted by Bob Barnes/Colorado
Rio--and Coach13--just wait 'til next year...they're still in development, but Nordica will have exactly the ski you want.
Originally Posted by Gainer
Why give into the trend when Stockli, Volkl, K2, Elan, Rossignol, Head, Dynastar, and a lot of others still give you a choice of a blank ski beyond the systems. They know that they are gimics, that's why they give the real skiers a choice. Mainly because the people making them are real skiers themselves. This business has always been about gimics, it is how we keep the sport financed for the very few.
Originally Posted by Bob Peters
Are you honestly trying to say that these much-touted ski/binding systems are *really* better (for the skier, that is, not the manufacturer) in some way?
If so, I'd love to see what backs up that theory.
Originally Posted by FanOZakk
With skis and bindings being designed together, and thusly, tested together, the manufacturer can control all the variables as to how the ski will perform for the public.
Changing to a different binding and removing any system on the ski means that no longer can the variables such as binding pressures, mount points relative to flex, and boot centering, be controlled. What tested well for the manufacturer no longer would necessarily test as well for the public. Skis don't get a good rap in the tests, company doesn't sell well that year...nobody wins.
If you look at the Head/Tyrolia group, they are selling their railflex 2 system bindings dirt cheap...and it's a great product...so there's no way in the world that they are forcing integration for sales purposes, because they aren't making that much more money on the binding!
It's like designing a car with a certain engine/transmission combo...and having a customer drop a different engine in and complaining when the shift points are all wrong and the vehicle is nose heavy all of a sudden, and it gets terrible highway mileage.
Surprise, surprise...would you imagine that engineers are actually designing things to work TOGETHER?
Originally Posted by kiwiski
but if you know what you are doing you can get major improvements from the standard 'all in one box' kits. And ski manufacturers understand this, as integrated systems are hard to avoid for intermediate groomer skis, but they are few and far between with high performance off-piste skis.
Originally Posted by ChicagoMike
If you know what you are doing you'd be able to ski hard on cheap skis/bindings and still kick ass.
Give Tiger Woods a set of Dunlop golf clubs and you use some high dollar Calloway clubs and see who gets their ass handed to them.
I have been on both intergrated and non-intergrated bindings and can ski the hell out of either one. If the skis I'm on hold an edge and my skis stay on my feet I'm tearing ass no matter what gear combo I'm on. : Some people forget the biggest "High Performance" is the person using the gear not the gear itself.
Imagine that, skill actually plays a part in skiing. :
Originally Posted by Klimski
Anyone who knows what they are talking about would be forced to choose the brand of his or her boots. I have Atomic boots, and although I'm not particular to either their ski's or bindings, I'd have to choose them.