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post #1 of 28
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Anyone have any knowledge about the efficacy or potential side effects of this stuff www.skilegs.com I saw something on this product but it almost sounds too good to be true and you know what that means
post #2 of 28
I've had it in the stash for about 2 years, seems effective for alleviating cramps after onset, esp. in hot weather. Never needed to use it for skiing, and I've never used it prior to an activity. It seems to work fairly well for recovery if I'm jumping around between activities (skate in the morning, run or bike in the afternoon). Mostly calcium salts, I believe.

I've handed out a few to cramped-up triathletes on long bike rides and it seemed more effective than Gatorade. Of course, none of this was a controlled test.

post #3 of 28
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post #4 of 28

We appreciate your curiosity about SportLegs. Yep, it really does seem too good to be true. Curious why you've never tried it BEFORE an activity, which is precisely what the package instructions recommend. Taken afterward, it does indeed speed recovery. But most folks find that benefit is dwarfed by what happens when you take it an hour before your sport, which is what we recommend. Speaking of controlled tests, in randomized, placebo-controlled double-blind trials at Ohio's Kent State University in Fall '03, Lactate Threshold (the point where the "burn" hits you, when you're skiing) increased, for adequately-dosed subjects, an average of 19.8%. As you might imagine, these results have been submitted to ACSM for publication.

So what does that mean for a skier? Well, that's the sport where we enjoy SportLegs the most. Here's why: When you interrupt your run, it's usually because your lungs are heaving, and your legs are on fire. Since SportLegs raises the Lactate Threshold "burn" point so much, you enjoy the spooky sensation of your lungs still heaving, but your legs are lovin' life. You aren't falling as often, and the folks riding the chairs overhead are craning their heads to watch you. You enjoy more sweet runs from the same lift ticket (or season pass). Yet you aren't nearly as sore afterwards, so you can afford to forget your ibuprofen. And a sport that was already pretty fun becomes REALLY fun.

If you're pretty familiar with what skiing feels like, maybe that sounds too good to be true. So stop into one of the hundreds of specialty shops in ski country that sell SportLegs, many since 2002. Because SportLegs works. And in a world of frequent disappointment, it's a great feeling to discover something that sounds too good to be true really is true after all.
post #5 of 28
SportLegs, please post links to articles, data, studies.

I've never used it before an activity because, from previous experience with such things as sodium bicarb, I've grown to expect about a 10minute buffered exertion interval after which no further effect is noticeable. Most of my activities take a lot longer than that, at variable effort; I cannot predict exactly when I would need buffering.
post #6 of 28
We'll happily post details, links and stuff as soon as they're available. But science proceeds at a glacial pace. If ACSM publishes, expect the first of these some time in '05 or early '06.

In the interim, if it's more reading you're after, Dr. Bruce Gladden wrote an unusually readable treatise on how our understanding of lactate metabolism continues to evolve in The Journal of Physiology this past July. The following link ought to work for you:

http://jp.physoc.org/cgi/reprint/558/1/5?maxtoshow=&HITS=10&hits=10&RESULTFORMAT=&author1 =Gladden&fulltext=Millennium&andorexactfulltext=an d&searchid=1093018854680_985&stored_search=&FIRSTI NDEX=0&sortspec=relevance&resourcetype=1&journalco de=jphysiol
post #7 of 28
Thread Starter 
Wow, for all of that free advertising, how about some free samples now, you can PM me.
post #8 of 28
Finndog, I like the way you think!

Curiously enough I learned about Sportlegs through the free samples they distributed; they were and continue to be mostly off the radar in the print media I look at.

Then Sl's Philly rep had a fit of genius and gave away samples at a Landskaters event where beginners were participating alongside racers- you bet folks were sucking the little sample packs down.
post #9 of 28
You want an interesting study group contact PSIA - E. We have an event in Dec. that's 5 days of training early in the season. The event consists of 4 or 500 participants. For most of us it's our first real ski days out for the season and we're skiing hard right off the bat. Many of us are in alot of pain those first days. Especially the ones who didn't do a whole lot of off season stuff. In addition, the average age of this group is above that of your competitive athlete groups.

Provide free samples for the week and get feedback from a group of professional recreational athletes. It would be interesting data.

post #10 of 28
Great idea, Mr. Bum. Our hot girl mountain bike racer reps in Jackson Hole and Steamboat are handing out samples to instructors and patrolpersons in the Rockies right now.

We found that handing out samples is the best way for people find out about SportLegs. People were looking at our expensive print ads and immediately deciding our stuff was too good to be rue, and couldn't possibly work. We realized we were spending big bucks to give people an initial impression of skepticism. So we're concentrating on sampling. Which is what you do when your stuff works.

Thanks again for the suggestion to contact PSIA-E. Anyone in particular you recommend? Might just be our imagination, but Easterners seem to be less open-minded than adventurous Westerners. Which is kind of a pity because Eastern bumps burn legs just like Western ones do.
post #11 of 28
That's Ms. ESB..... I don't really have a specific contact. Call or email the office and see what you can do.

You can e-mail your comments to us at psia-e@psia-e.org.

Call us:
Phone 518-452-6095

Send us a fax:
Fax 518-452-6099

Write us:
Professional Ski Instructors of America -
Eastern Division
American Association of Snowboard Instructors
1-A Lincoln Avenue ยท Albany, New York 12205-4907
post #12 of 28
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Recieved my samples as promised! Many thanks and I will be reporting shortly. I like the put up or shut up method of marketing. Get it to those who form opinions like here in the bears den. I think the idea from Ms. Eastern skier was great.
post #13 of 28
I have used Sport Legs before and after skiing, both on the east coast and at Whistler, and I cannot say that I noticed any negligable difference, however at the same point in time, I was no worse for the wear.

I should see if I can dig em up and give em a shot again while the quads and calves are not fully used to skiing again.
post #14 of 28
Thread Starter 
Looking at the ingredients, It appears they are pretty much calcium and Magnesium with some Vit.D. I will see....
post #15 of 28
yeah, if I remember right it was primarily calcium, electrolytes, and vitamin (D if you say so, not looking at the package right now).
post #16 of 28
Thread Starter 

Follow Up Report

OK, felt it was only fair to report back in after using the sport legs a few times now. Sportlegs was kind enough to send me a sample. Used them for skiing 5 days straight. Can honestly say it worked. I can't say to what degree but I really did not have sore legs! I had trained pretty hard first but I usually do get sore to some extent. My legs felt pretty tired by the last day, but not in pain. Used them again last week after not skiing for 2.5 weeks. No soreness. OK, I give a "thumbs up!" Also used the pills in conjunction with Cytomax. Cytomax is great stuff, really worked much better than Gatoraid and I didn't have any hypoglycemic crashes (I'm hypoglycemia). Use both on long days or multiple ski days.
post #17 of 28
Thanks for giving 'em a go, Finn. Yeah, they work. Hey, you might be interested, but not surprised, by prelim results of a Washington, D.C.-area double-blind study on road cyclists. So far, with 28 cyclists aged 20-70, average 43, 78.6% were faster in a 10-mile time trial with SportLegs vs. placebo, and 85.2% reported doing so with an average of 24% less pain.
post #18 of 28
Seems like SportLegs has no distributors in Montana. Why not send a case to us at the Epic Ski Academy next week (Huntley Lodge, Big Sky ). We would be happy to test it out over the duration of the course and give a report.
post #19 of 28
Caught the last post just in time to FedEx a big old box of SportLegs samples out to the Huntley Lodge in time to arrive Monday. I recommend you take a dose (1 capsule per 50 lbs.) with your first apres-ski whatever Monday afternoon to reduce your chances of soreness Tuesday morning. Then take a dose an hour before your first run Tuesday, and feel the difference. It shouldn't take more than a pitch or two to realize something's definitely different. Know how you're usually trying to ignore both your shortness of breath and the "burn" as you ski? Well, SportLegs raises your Lactate Threshold so much, it's only your shortness of breath that will force you to pull over. It's a whole lot more fun. It's also a whole lot safer, since you're way less likely to end a pitch with spent legs, cartwheeling into the trees, or showering the slope with an equipment "yard sale."

A tip: If you're disciplined enough to ski at your normal pace in spite of the "burn" not being there, the morning dose is probably all you'll need. I haven't met many skiers that reserved. Most folks, it's like Spring Break at Bonneville with a stolen 'Vette. If you find yourself going for it, it's prudent to re-dose with lunch, and then again after your last run.

And you guys think you already know what Epic feels like. Boy, are you gonna have some fun.
post #20 of 28
Did I miss out on the free samples? Damn, I'm outta the loop!! :
post #21 of 28
Just got back from 3 days at Jackson Hole and not a sore muscle to be found! I took the suggested dosage prior to skiing, at lunch, and after the last run. What a difference, virtually no burn, even on long steep runs, which is all we skied. These 48 year old legs felt like they were 20-something again. My 17 year old took them with the same results. Sportlegs, if you are selling stock let me know, when the word spreads to all the old farts, this stuff is going to sell like crazy.
post #22 of 28

Why I love SportLegs

Thanks so much for sending the package to ESA! We received it and I think everyone got a chance to pick up enough packets to last them the entire academy.

Background - 36yo - of moderate fitness - more agressive mentally than the aging body will sometimes allow. Skied Sat (1/2 day) and Sunday before ESA started for students. Eric & Ursula began butt kicking session Monday. Results Monday evening... all limbs burning and thinking this will be a loonng week.

The case of sportlegs was waiting for us after that first day and I immediately tried it. It did take a few hours, but wow - I felt better without painkillers. Consistent results - no burning tired muscles Tuesday or Wednesday! I will try to put SportLegs to the ultimate test today as I try to cram in all we've learned this week into one day of hard practice.

Great Product!
post #23 of 28

sport legs

My wife and I have been taking the recommended dose before, at lunch and after skiing during the last several ski days. The stuff works!!!!!!
post #24 of 28
Thread Starter 
Have tested it a couple times and it does work. Cool stuff, looking forward to using it for bike riding.
post #25 of 28
what exactly is in it?
post #26 of 28
I took some tonight before going to the gym. I'm not sure whether it's me getting fitter, or the sportslegs, but I felt a lot better while I was there.
post #27 of 28
I posted my thoughts about it in the other SportLegs thread. Too lazy to grab and post the link. But I wouldn't buy into it, as I don't like anything that prevents your body's natural responses from taking place. To me it seems that this product masks the fatigueness in your muscle by buffering the blood and muscle tissue to a more basic level in which more oxygen can be transported throughout your body.

Does it minimize the amount of lactic acid produced during strenuous activity?
By the comments here, it sure seems like it.

Is that necessarily a good thing?
I don't know. Quite frankly I don't know if there have been any studies done on preventing the conversion of pyruvate to lactic acid, but I'm very tempted to ask my biochemistry professor about what he thinks of this come Monday.
post #28 of 28
I got some at ESA (the company was kind enough to send us some samples), and I find that it helps reduce the fatigue that I feel, and allows me to ski longer. It is only a mineral suppliment (vitamin D3, calcium, and magnesium), so isn't masking anything, nor reducing the production of lactic acid. It does help with the reabsorption of it, and reduces the tearing effect of the crystalized lactic acid to reduce damage and the resulting soreness.

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