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post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 
Hi,
I went to a custom boot fitter and purchased last year's Lange Comp 120 (deeply discounted!). My foot is almost too wide for the boot, but it felt the best in the shop. I had a custom foot bed made and the liner heat molded to fit my foot. It was still a little narrow just past the toes back to the middle of the foot so the technician ground some out on the side by the little toe.

I came home and later that week put the boot on for about thirty minutes and realized that I need some more ground out and maybe a little further back on the foot as well (my little toes started to hurt badly and lose a little sensation). The technician told me when I was there that I have just a little more than 1/3 of the liner left after grinding at that spot. So, it is possible that I might need to have the shell stretched a bit.

Question #1: This shop, which is very good, is about a five hour drive from my house --- one way. There is a local shop that also does this type of work I am just not sure it is done at the same level. Is it really that important that I make the ten hour round trip drive or should I have this portion of the work done locally?



Question #2: My feet have lots of side to side flexibility and not much forward (achilles) flexibility. So sometimes when I attempt to flex forward really hard my heel comes up out of the pocket a little bit because I am not flexible enough. Should I just keep stretching and ignore this or keep stretching and have the heel built up a bit so it remains grounded?:

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
post #2 of 11
I would continue to work with the original shop. They know your situation and what the two of you collectively have done to try and remedy it. You may lose all the progress you have made by going to another shop. The boot may be able to be punched in certain areas, and yes, padded in the heel to keep you down if need be.

As far as not having enough flexibility to flex forward and having the heel come up, it sounds like the bbot may be too stiff to begin with.
post #3 of 11
I'm not sure how much faith to put in that shop. Normal approach would be to punch or stretch the forefoot of a boot as the material is relatively thin and will work well punching but not gain that much from grinding. I would never grind in the area you describe. One reason is exactly where you're at you now have material taken off that makes stretching (punching) scary to do and you need more room. You can always take out a punch (reheat) but you can't return material you've ground away.

Another possibility is stretching the liner (vs. the shell) Has this been done? Last year's Lange had the new mold but shockingly still had the old pointy toed shape in the liner. This would affect exactly the area you describe. Do a shell foot with you footbed in the bottom and see if you feel the pressure directly from the shell then try the liner with the footbed in to see if that causes pressure. stretching the liner is pretty much a given with last year's Langes and any width in the met heard/ toe area.

For the heel I would focus less on holding the heel and more on gaining flexion. This means stretching is good but also try a heel lift which will open the ankle joint to allow you to use more of your limited range of motion. If the boot is pushing you forward quite a bit the heel lift may also help that and you can look at straightening the back of the boot to allow you to stand up straighter (open up the ankle joint again).
post #4 of 11
Have you skied in the boots yet? I think you should do that before doing any more work. As the boot packs out you should move to the rear in the boot and that may change the fit in the front. Even though you had the heat fit done, the liner will still pack out. LewBob
post #5 of 11
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all the great advice. I am not sure how much of what was done was stretching and/or grinding. I will take the liner out tonight and check the shell fit with the footbed in the bottom. The original shop is well known for this area so I think I will definitely go back there. I will mention to them about grinding and/or punching.

LewBob,
I haven't skied in the boots yet, but my little toe does start to lose sensation after about 30 minutes. Would you still rec. skiing in them first before having any more work done?

Thanks again for the advice and I will report back tomorrow what happened with the shell fit with footbed in.

Question #3: As for my alignment, I put too much pressure on the inside of my right foot (big toe side) and the "cant" on the boot has been fully adjusted as well as the adjusters that go on the bottom of the Lange 120 (I am new to all of this and don't know the terminology well). This corrects the problem when I am flexing forward, but I still put a little too much pressure on the inside in a neutral position. Any suggestions? By the way, this was determined using a machine that detects how much pressure is being applied in 4 different directions on each boot.

Thanks again for all the help.
post #6 of 11
Stick with the original shop for now. They should have stretched the shell (and possibly the liner too) to maintain its' integrity. Typically, grinding is used to remove a small amount of material if there is an irregularity...not to remove 2/3s of the shell material. Stay with the original shop for this problem. If you engage another shop they will probably point a finger at each other.

In the future I would find another shop if possible.

Your foot will move back a little in the boot after skiing a day or two and that might create enough room to avoid any further modification. You can also speed that process up by wearing your boots watching TV....just don't walk on wood floors, etc. Slippery and can trash them. Flex aggressively forward in the boot while wearing them.
post #7 of 11
Quote:
Originally Posted by Js137
Question #3: As for my alignment, I put too much pressure on the inside of my right foot (big toe side) and the "cant" on the boot has been fully adjusted as well as the adjusters that go on the bottom of the Lange 120 (I am new to all of this and don't know the terminology well). This corrects the problem when I am flexing forward, but I still put a little too much pressure on the inside in a neutral position. Any suggestions? By the way, this was determined using a machine that detects how much pressure is being applied in 4 different directions on each boot.

Thanks again for all the help.
This sounds like a foot/ankle alignment/footbed issue. It sounds like you are tracking outside while flexing which may be hard to address. It may simply be that your ankle is tracking inside and they over corrected with the boot sole (cant).

Make sure the footbeds are bang on first THEN align the cuff of the boot THEN and only then address the need for canted soles on the boot bottom.

bsimeral makes a good point about having the original shop fix the problem first but again my faith would certainly be shaken in them.
post #8 of 11
Send the boots back and forth using UPS or Fedex or something. I have done this before. Driving 5 hrs one way for a tweek here and there is way too much.
post #9 of 11
Absolutely! Ski on the boot before you do anything else. I skied in that boot season before last and they packed out a lot, so much so that I sold them.

By the 10th day I skied in them they were too big.

Ski in them first!!
post #10 of 11

Boot Work!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Js137
Hi,
I went to a custom boot fitter and purchased last year's Lange Comp 120 (deeply discounted!). My foot is almost too wide for the boot, but it felt the best in the shop. I had a custom foot bed made and the liner heat molded to fit my foot. It was still a little narrow just past the toes back to the middle of the foot so the technician ground some out on the side by the little toe.

I came home and later that week put the boot on for about thirty minutes and realized that I need some more ground out and maybe a little further back on the foot as well (my little toes started to hurt badly and lose a little sensation). The technician told me when I was there that I have just a little more than 1/3 of the liner left after grinding at that spot. So, it is possible that I might need to have the shell stretched a bit.

Question #1: This shop, which is very good, is about a five hour drive from my house --- one way. There is a local shop that also does this type of work I am just not sure it is done at the same level. Is it really that important that I make the ten hour round trip drive or should I have this portion of the work done locally?



Question #2: My feet have lots of side to side flexibility and not much forward (achilles) flexibility. So sometimes when I attempt to flex forward really hard my heel comes up out of the pocket a little bit because I am not flexible enough. Should I just keep stretching and ignore this or keep stretching and have the heel built up a bit so it remains grounded?:

Thanks in advance for any suggestions.
Let me know where you live, and I bet I can come up with the best bootfitter in your area and I can probably get it done at little, if any cost to you.

Coup
post #11 of 11
Buy a set of cat tracks and wear the boots at home for a few nights. Wear them for a bit more time each day. If after several days,they are not getting more comfortable, visit the boot shop. good luck and let us know how it works out.
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