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Atomic SX:11 vs R:11

post #1 of 17
Thread Starter 
Hey everyone. How about anyone who can make a comparison between the SX:11 and the R:11. I've heard the R:11 called the best all around ski ever. What does the Supercross not do as well, or do better?
post #2 of 17
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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz
Hey everyone. How about anyone who can make a comparison between the SX:11 and the R:11. I've heard the R:11 called the best all around ski ever. What does the Supercross not do as well, or do better?
Both excellent but slightly different animals. I you're skiing in the west I might give the edge to the R11, if you're in the east mostly I'd go with the SX. You won't go wrong either way really.
post #3 of 17
L7 pretty well summed it up. I prefer the R model but own both skis.
post #4 of 17
Ditto to slider and L7. R:11 is much better in soft snow, up to boot high pow. It is a fall line charger, GS turning ski. It was made for the steeps of the west. The perfect ski for Great Scott and Sivler Fox. The SX:11 is a hard pack carver, pure and simple. A great ski for all eastern terrain.
post #5 of 17
Thread Starter 
Thanks. I ski about 13 days in Vail and the rest of my about 50 days total in the East.

How do you think the SX:11 will handle the Western conditions?

btw I already bought them end of last season, haven't skied on them yet.
post #6 of 17
Atomic made a big mistake by dropping the R11 from the line up. I love that ski in just about every condition except real powder. Even there it's not bad just not in it's element. I would go with the R11 plus. The sx11 doesn't have as many tricks in it's bag as the R11. SX 11 was one of the worse skis I have ever skied in bumps. The r11 doesn't shine in moguls but it is light years better there then the sx11 In fact for an I would go with the sx9 over the sx11. The 9 was a lot of fun not as high of a top end as the sx11 but all in alll a much better ski.. There are some good deals to be found on the R11 check out Sierra Trading Post.com they had a pretty good price on the R11.
post #7 of 17
I was going to post on your second question but then I read Utah 49s post. I have to disagree on several points.
I have both the R11 and the Sx11 and although the SX is generally my groomed zoomer I used it for a week late season at Sunshine. Got new snow a couple of nights and it was amazingly good in boot top powder. Also had some freeze/thaw and skied some small bumps so lots of varied conditions. It was huge fun in all of it (oK frozen chunks can only be so fun) and handled it all great. Haven't really had them in big bumps.

The R11 is a great ski but comparing how it skis the groomed to how the SX skis off piste I'd go SX. The R11 is OK on groomed but wants to go fast in the falline. The SX is more versatile for turn shape and more energy out of the turns on groomed.

I hated the SX 9, tons of sidecut and something never felt balance about the sidecut to me.

Maybe the difference in opinion has to do with weight and size, I don't know. I'm 5'10" 185 and ski both skis in 180.
post #8 of 17
Thread Starter 
Hi everyone, thanks for the info.

L7, interesting difference between you and I, and i wonder how it will impact the comments, is that I am 5'9" 195lbs (ugh!) and bought the 170's. So you are lighter and skiing on longer skis.

Steve
post #9 of 17
I have both skis in a 180(R11 beta-Puls)

The R11 is much less demanding. SX is a GS race ski. It'sa GSs11 with a much smaller turn radius.

The SX 11 is much stiffer lengthwise & torsionally.

The R11 is more versatile, skis crude and pow mucn better, but the SX kills it on groomers.

I don't find the R11 to be a falline ski particulary with an 19M turn radius (this is approaching GS Race ski turn radius). The SX has an 18M turn turn radius. but is quite a bit narrower at the waist 66mm vs. 70mm for the R11. this gives the R11 much better float in the crud and powder.

I would sum it up by saying, the R11 is a true all mountain all terrain ski. The SX is a fast GS type Hardpack/ Groomer race ski.

The R11 is probably the best of all worlds and more versatile.
post #10 of 17
How about the SX 11 vs the R11 vs the GS 9?
post #11 of 17
Thread Starter 
OK, so I LOVE skiing fast on groomers, steep or not. So I'll spend most of my time out of the bumps, BUT I NEED to improve in the bumps so I will be making an effort to get into them.

On the SX:11's in bumps, if you say they are not good in them, why?

Is it the swing weight?
Is it the stiffness?
Is this more of an issue for an advanced bump skier than a mediocre one?

I'd love to hear some of you explain more to me just how much harder a ski that's not great in bumps would be for a person who is not bashing them, just nicely negotiating them.

Does this make sense?
post #12 of 17
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Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz
OK, so I LOVE skiing fast on groomers, steep or not. So I'll spend most of my time out of the bumps, BUT I NEED to improve in the bumps so I will be making an effort to get into them.

On the SX:11's in bumps, if you say they are not good in them, why?

Is it the swing weight?
Is it the stiffness?
Is this more of an issue for an advanced bump skier than a mediocre one?

I'd love to hear some of you explain more to me just how much harder a ski that's not great in bumps would be for a person who is not bashing them, just nicely negotiating them.

Does this make sense?
Stiffness, if your not careful you will bend them. They are a GS Race Ski!
Although samller bumps I can ski them fine, as long as the troughs arn't too big & deep. But I have been working on & skiing bumps for 40 years. Neither of these skis is a great bump ski. It's not what they were designed for. I would prefer something with a smaller turn radius in the bumps.
post #13 of 17
Quote:
Originally Posted by SkiMangoJazz
OK, so I LOVE skiing fast on groomers, steep or not. So I'll spend most of my time out of the bumps, BUT I NEED to improve in the bumps so I will be making an effort to get into them.

On the SX:11's in bumps, if you say they are not good in them, why?

Is it the swing weight?
Is it the stiffness?
Is this more of an issue for an advanced bump skier than a mediocre one?

I'd love to hear some of you explain more to me just how much harder a ski that's not great in bumps would be for a person who is not bashing them, just nicely negotiating them.

Does this make sense?
yeah.....sort of....you want to know if its harder to ski bumps with a ski that's not great for bumps, and you aren't great at it either.

the answer is yes, it will be alot harder than if you had a ski made for bumps, or if you were so good you could do barrel rolls in your sleep. And I've seen people absolutely flying down bumps the size of small cars in 190 r11-s. it wasn't hard for them
post #14 of 17
I loved my R11s but they are a handful in the bumps and trees when the bumps get irregular.

I actually bent a pair of the R11s last year.

I know that's not always the case but I also spoke to two other R11 owners on lifts and they had also said they bent their skis.

I now have a pair of twin tips with no metal that I will use in the bumps and trees and I am saving the Atomics for just cruising and carving.
post #15 of 17
It amazes me how many people say that this ski or that ski sucks in the bumps. I have Rossi Bandit XX. All I read is how bad they are in the bumps. I ski Mad River and frankly all they have is bumps and I have no problem. Bumps are a state of mind, if you let them push you around they will, no matter what the ski you are on.

Alfonse
post #16 of 17
I didn't say they suck or they can't do them.

I just said that they are a handful and I think plenty of people would agree with me.

Also the lifter and binding put the boot higher which could make someone improving in the bumps work alot harder to stay balanced.

Why not ski something that is fun in the bumps versus something that makes you work your ass off and tire you out after half a day.

I think the R11s are a stiff and heavy ski compared to the XXs.

It's all a matter of opinion, preference, and ability.

Not all of us can be Mad River Valley Mad Dogs

post #17 of 17
Thread Starter 
Thanks everyone!
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