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Bandit B1 vs. Volkl (4 or 5) vs Dynastar SC9 (Or, best expert skis that bump)

post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
I am in my last year of med school and ski about 5-10 times per year. (Half the time on the East Coast, half the time out West).
I love to ski the bumps, and spend about half the day on mogul runs (and maybe once or twice a day hitting the glades if there’s good cover). The rest of the time I am exploring flatter terrain, taking medium sized turns, and also hitting the steeps. I am 6”1 and weigh 180-185.

Basically, I am looking for a pair of skis that is forgiving in the bumps, but doesn’t completely wimp out at speed, when it runs into some crud, or on the steeps. Last year, I demoed a pair of Volkl Supersport 5’s (168) at Killington. These were, without question, the most self-assured skis I have ever been on. No matter how hard I pushed them on the steeps or through the crud, they didn’t even twitch. In fact, the harder I pushed them, the happier they were. However, in the bumps, I thought they weren’t forgiving enough for me (maybe because the tail was a bit too stiff for skiing the bumps all day). Even though I got some great mogul runs in with them, I though the Supersport 5’s were too punishing in the moguls, and my back muscles really took a beating.

Therefore, I want a ski that is a bit more of a compromise. While I love the Supersprt 5’s stability and raw speed, I need a ski that is more forgiving (and lively and fun) in the bumps. (Though, I wouldn’t mind if that ski retained some of the Supersport 5’s great qualities).

Some skis that I was considering are the Dynastar Skicross 9 (170), the Rossignol Bandit B1 (170), and even the Volkl Supersport 4 (168). What do you recommend I go with? What have your experiences been? Any other skis I should consider? And, finally, what are the relative pros and cons (ie , strengths and weaknesses) of these models.

Thanks, and see you on the slopes
post #2 of 12
instead of the sc9 consider the Legend 4800 it would fit in with the other skis you mention.
post #3 of 12

agree with waxman

I think most of the skis you mention are in the "cross" category - designed for the groomers. I would look at the crop of midfats. My suggestions are the Rossi B2, Dynastar Legend 4800 (and even 8000), Volkl 724 Pro and EXP. I know there are lots of other brnads with good skis in this category.

I think a wider midfat does sacrifice a little in the bumps when compared to the cross/carving sksi you demo'd. If you spend half your time out west, I think you'll enjoy the extra width - especially as it sounds like you seek out the off-trail ungroomed experience.
post #4 of 12
You may wish to consider the Dynastar Omecarve 9. All reports I've read say it's the jack of all trades, with lots of edge hold at 165 cm.
post #5 of 12
I agree with tumbler while I wasreading your post thoes were the skis running through my mind with the exception and the PRO. I have not been on the B2 in the bumps, but I did feel at home on it when I last demoed it. I enjoyed the Legends also. I'm a Volkl man and love my AX3's and G3's. I take both skis everywhere on the hill. I would tell you to get one of these skis in 177cm.
I actually like my AX3's in the spring crud better then my 84cm waisted Atomic 10EX's. I think it is a good all mountain ski.
post #6 of 12
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the advice.

I finally went to my local ski shop (Ski Market in Boston), to look at what was available. Because I ski mostly on trail (though some pretty hairy blacks and double blacks, too) and because I ski slightly more on the East coast, I think I will shy away from the full blown freeride skis (though I might still look at some of the "narrower" mid-fat models). Basically, what I want is a ski that is fun in the moguls, forgiving, and can hold decent speed. The two skis that stood out (although they are very different) at Ski Market were the Rossi B1 and last year's Volkl 4 star. From what I was told, here are the pluses and minuses. Let me know what you all think?

Volkl 4 Star (Last year's model):
+ loves to turn, very forgiving, can hold an edge at speed in New England Skiing
- Very big tips will make mogul skiing annoying (is this really true? if not, this might be my choice)

Rossi Bandit B1
+ handles speed well, narrow tips are good for mosuls, wide enough for some fun out west, jack of all trades
- a little bit fat in the middle for tight turns and for moguls, also a bit stiff for the bumps and not forgiving enough.

Does this sound reasonable. Which ski do you thinkn is better in the bumps? If someone has skied either one of these and can confirm that they are great in the bumps (and forgiving), I will go out and buy a pair today.

Thanks. (I can't wait to hit the slopes). Hope y'all have fun tearing it up out this there this year.

post #7 of 12

B1 is a great all around ski

I can only give you half the equation as I have never skied a Volkl before. I have been skiing on the Rossi Bandits and think they are perfect in the moguls. I've also skiied them as fast as I dare go and they handle the speed well. Great in crud and small amounts of pow. I'm 6' and 155lbs and ski them in 177. ( I've skiied them at Whistler, the whole mountain(s) and our wonderful Cascade cement in Washington) They're great skis for short and medium radius turns and will hold an edge on eastern ice.
post #8 of 12
Being a Volkl man who has demoed the B1 and B2 I would say you better off on the B1. When your ready for a bit more waist try the B2 which I felt was a lot like my Volkl G3. The 4star is a softer ski that will give it up at high speeds.
post #9 of 12
RPG, I have some friends that rip bumps on their 5 stars. May I suggest you take some bump lessons and refine your mogul prowess instead of looking for a ski that will MAKE you a better bumper? Everyone today wants the ski to make them better rather than becoming better. Although there are some skis on the market that are more suited for mogul skiing, if your technique is lacking, new skis won't help that much. Save your money for lessons.
post #10 of 12
Don't rule out the SC9, They're a pretty versatile ski. I might suggest that you consider a 178 length, however. If you want a stiffer ski, consider an SC10.
post #11 of 12
Sounds like money might be an issue? If so, maybe you'd consider last year's Dynastar Intuitiv 74? REI has been blowing them out for like $200.

When you say you want to stay away from the "full blown freeride" skis, that makes me think you got a salesperson who did not spend enought time to get the info that you've given us here. I know all shops have some good and some not as good employees. You originally said you ski 50% east coast, 50% west coast, and now say slightly more east coast - but still spend time on what sounds like ungroomed terrain - the blacks and double blacks and bumps.

The two skis you mention are designed for different specialties, even though they have similar waist widths. I think of the B1 as the Rossi "intro to off-trail" ski. My experience during a demo was that it felt soft - and I thought it would be better suited to western conditions (but given those conditions, you might want a wider ski). I haven't skied the 4-star, but I think it's their lowest "carving expert" entry. If I had to choose between these categories for you, I would stick with the off trail mid-fats.

Ask yourself this: do you see your percentage of time on groomed terrain increasing or decreasing? If it will increase, go with a carver, if not, a mid fat. HTH
post #12 of 12
Having skied the Bandit X's two years and having demo'd Volkl's Supersport series (I've got the '05 6*), it sounds like the B1 might be your best bet. They're smooth, forgiving and great fun, but not certainly not the high speed ripper of choice. Knee high fresh in Closet at Steamboat last year was about as much fun as I could have (drifts mid-thigh) and I don't doubt that the Rossi's big sweet spot had a lot to do with it. The extra float from the wider waist won't hurt either. They loved the bumps, and even though I'm skiing them at 184, they always feel quick, responsive and willing to allow for the occasional bobble.

Whatever the choice, you'll get a good, versatile ski. Now it's just chocolate or strawberry.
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