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HGH (Human Growth Hormone)

post #1 of 40
Thread Starter 
Does anyone know anything about HGH?

I am over 40 and lately the body is falling apart with sports type injuries occurring too easily from everyday activities and recovery seems to take twice as long as it used to just a few years ago. A friend who is a nurse said I should look into HGH to aid recovery and halt any further "cell destruction" as she put it.

I looked for info on the web but it all smells fishy to me with each brand claiming theirs is the only one that works and the rest are all scams.

Any other suggestions of products or diets that would be beneficial would be greatly appreciated.

Getting old sucks!
post #2 of 40
The HGH precursors and other HGH stuff that you can buy over the counter are total rubbish. But, the injectable HGH that will work it is under prescription! One of the side effects of using HGH on healthy people is diabetes. But that goes away when you stop using it -- or so I've heard.

Good luck.
post #3 of 40
I wouldn't use a horomone that you buy off-prescription from the web. By their nature horomones act profoundly in very low doses so I wouldn't mess around with crpa bought masked as a supplement.
post #4 of 40

quack!

besides hormones introduced to stomach acid would be broken down. The amounts of hormones found in OTC pills would have zero affect.
post #5 of 40
The only HGH that is supposed to work is the injectable, but it's super expensive, around $1k a month. A pharmaceutical co. has developed a version that you can inhale, but it hasn't been approved yet. Supposed to be on the market in the next few years, but who knows for sure.
post #6 of 40

Please be careful

My advice is to only use hormones as a last resort, and then only under the supervision of a physician. I have a bit of a background in the biological sciences. Hormones, as substances that regulate the various autonomic functions of your body, have far reaching effects. HGH may help reduce your injuries and promote faster healing times, but it will also have an effect on other functions of your body. This hormone has some fairly broad ranging effects on almost all major bodily systems including digestive, immune and cardio-vascular. The same way that steroids can have all kinds of undesirable side effects HGH will have some as well and these undesirable side effects will vary from person to person.

I would say look for some other, non pill/hormone method of solving these issues. Maybe try talking with a sports physician as well and see if there are some types of training programs you could try out before jumping to hormones. That said, I wouldn't rule HGH out completely just be careful going into it's use. Talking with you doctor is probably the best step as he will be able to take into account your specific situation (any preexisting conditions, goals, etc)

Hope this helps some.

M.
post #7 of 40
I have been around the HGH injection proponents for about 10 to 12 years. I have seen a number of people use it for a number of years and would reccomend that you take astrotech's advise and steer away from it if you can find reasonable alternatives.

One example I will share with you involves a friend who stayed on it for about 5 years. I made several trips with him to Mexico to purchase a few thousand dollars worth of it for himself, his wife, and the doctor who advised him to start taking it. At the time we were purchasing it at about $100/vial below the border, and the prescibed price of it here was about $300-$350/vial. All three of the persons mentioned reported increased energy and a general well being they felt worth the risks. My friend's wife had most of her hair fall out but refused to see a link to it because it made her feel so good. My friend developed several age related maladies that may or may not have been related, and refused to make a link to the HGH. ....It was my opinion that both of them were risking much more than the $800 or so a month that it cost them. -- They are now off of HGH injections and appear to have aged at a rate greater than their peers. They now focus on proper diet, adequate supplementation, stress lowering techniques, and balanced exercise when possible. I feel they would be ahead of the game had they taken this route some 10 to 12 years ago.


Good Luck!
post #8 of 40
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Originally Posted by dchan
besides hormones introduced to stomach acid would be broken down. The amounts of hormones found in OTC pills would have zero affect.
So why do birth control pills work - that's just hormones in pill form, right?

(I'm not saying HGH pills work or don't work, just that I'd think oral horomones should work...)
post #9 of 40
Drug delivery is a very complicated issue, especially oraly drug delivery, and I doubt that OTC supplement crap is formulated to be delivered orally
post #10 of 40
Most of the more credible oral HGH supplements are not HGH, but amino acids that have shown increases in the associated blood markers when supplemented to one's diet. These markers are purported to indicate an increased production of natural HGH by your body.
post #11 of 40
This is a very complex topic. Most of the "supplement" stuff is crap, but not all of it.

Ask a hardcore gym rat. They know. I ask my buddy the gymrat/nutrition student. EDIT: Or you can surf the nutrition forums and weightlifting forums. You will find varying levels of risk taking, and varying types of results.
post #12 of 40
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Originally Posted by notdeadyet
Getting old sucks!
Yes but it's better than the alternative.

I looked at HGH a few years back but got the impression it was either 'snake skin oil' or very risky injections.

The best I ever felt was after religiously eating a good diet including 5 fruit and veg a day, exercising 3-5 days a week and drinking gallons of water. Plenty of energy and quick recovery times were positive side effects of this regime.

http://www.whfoods.com/feelgreat.php
post #13 of 40
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Originally Posted by DangerousBrian
Yes but it's better than the alternative.

I looked at HGH a few years back but got the impression it was either 'snake skin oil' or very risky injections.

The best I ever felt was after religiously eating a good diet including 5 fruit and veg a day, exercising 3-5 days a week and drinking gallons of water. Plenty of energy and quick recovery times were positive side effects of this regime.

http://www.whfoods.com/feelgreat.php
YEP - you got it - just add in plenty of sleep as most people tend to skimp a bit on that....

BTW it is 2-3 fruit serves & 5 veg serves & 5-7 serves of grains
post #14 of 40
Hi notdeadyet,

As you can see, this anti aging thing is complex and highly variable from person to person. There are a couple of things you might want to investigate.

The first is the eastern practice of beneficial exercises to balance the energy flow throughout your body. There are many variations on the subject, but they all revolve around the theory that there are a significant number of energy 'centers' throughout your body, and the energy 'flow' through them should be consistent to retain a youthful state. You will find it hard to decide on the technique you prefer, but most have proven themselves quite beneficial.

The second would be the amino acid supplementation previously mentioned. A truly balanced diet might accomplish something similar to these supplements, but I can't recall anyone ever claiming knowledge of a perfectly balanced diet. Supplements make sense for most people, so I am adding a link here to a common sense site providing quality products that won't cost you the non-sensical prices associated with most of the 'hype' in the advertising industry.
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http://www.ourhealthcoop.com/ourhealth_hg.htm
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Good luck!
post #15 of 40
Thread Starter 
Thanks Feallen! The link you provided was a great web site for supplements at awesome prices. I've already placed an order.
post #16 of 40

I don't see any Dr. after names that are giving advice

There is so much credible information on this subject on the internet, I'm not advocating for or against, but why would you ask advice about something that can change your life, from regular folks, when you can evaluate thousands of sites on this topic that have researched the effects of HGH legitimately?
post #17 of 40
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Originally Posted by altagirl
So why do birth control pills work - that's just hormones in pill form, right?

(I'm not saying HGH pills work or don't work, just that I'd think oral horomones should work...)
From what I have read and learned, my sister is a Doc, wife is a therapist, and lots of clients that are docs, in Pharmaceuticals and research PHDs. it has to do with the delivery system, carriers and amount of hormones.. OTC types of these would not have doses high enough to get past the stomach acid or would not be released at the proper time. Birth control and other prescription hormone treatments taken orally are designed either to get past the first part of the digestive system or are formulated to carry enough of the active substance to get into the blood stream. You would need to actually need get a pharm/chem major to explain it better.
post #18 of 40
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Originally Posted by dchan
From what I have read and learned, my sister is a Doc, wife is a therapist, and lots of clients that are docs, in Pharmaceuticals and research PHDs. it has to do with the delivery system, carriers and amount of hormones.. OTC types of these would not have doses high enough to get past the stomach acid or would not be released at the proper time. Birth control and other prescription hormone treatments taken orally are designed either to get past the first part of the digestive system or are formulated to carry enough of the active substance to get into the blood stream. You would need to actually need get a pharm/chem major to explain it better.
Yes - we use particular oestrogen/progesterones that are orally active for OC's..... Also these hormones are highly enterohepatically recycled.....
post #19 of 40
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by carv_lust
There is so much credible information on this subject on the internet, I'm not advocating for or against, but why would you ask advice about something that can change your life, from regular folks, when you can evaluate thousands of sites on this topic that have researched the effects of HGH legitimately?

carv_lust, try to find one that isn't really a seller just pretending to be impartial! Sometimes getting to the truth is hard in this market driven world we live in. I trust the opinions of my fellow riders in this forum more than some scammers hiding behind fancy web sites any day of the week.
post #20 of 40
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Originally Posted by notdeadyet
carv_lust, try to find one that isn't really a seller just pretending to be impartial! Sometimes getting to the truth is hard in this market driven world we live in. I trust the opinions of my fellow riders in this forum more than some scammers hiding behind fancy web sites any day of the week.
Use Google. Use the advanced search.
post #21 of 40
notdeadyet,

Think long and hard before embarking on such drastic measures as taking HGH. I am 42 years old and I also see my body slowly fall appart. I am not as strong as I used to be, I don't have as much stamina, recuperation is much longer and staying away from injuries has become my primary focus.

Recuperation is the key. For example, I used to compete in bodybuilding and used to work out 4-5 times a week with weights. Now I work out 2 times a week only and I split my body so that effectively each muscle part is worked out once a week. Indeed, I feel that I need 1 week to recuperate a muscle group after an intense workout with weights. Same for running. I only run 2 times a week (not on days when I work out with weights). When I go mountain biking I run only once a week. My mountain bike sessions are long (2-3 hours), intense and very taxing on my body. Again recuperation is very important. Aging is tough. You best option is to accept it and learn to manage it. In 20 years from now you will probably be thankful that you did not mess around with hormones or steroids.

Good luck!
post #22 of 40
Quote:
Originally Posted by notdeadyet
Does anyone know anything about HGH?

I am over 40 and lately the body is falling apart with sports type injuries occurring too easily from everyday activities and recovery seems to take twice as long as it used to just a few years ago.
Ugh, I just turned 40 but have suffered from this progressively since the 80s. I can't run any more, can't even go for long walks. That's why I've gone back to skiing, actually. I have never heard of using HGH for fixing things, I wonder if it'd work for my utterly stuffed achilles?
post #23 of 40

Before trying HGH snake oil...

You might want to consider several things to prevent/heal injuries which are less likely to mess with your hormonal balance, and which have studies that suggest their efficacy, before taking things in dosages and delivery forms not even tested on animals, based on anecdotal reports from the folks that market them.

The latest (November) issue of Men's Health suggests two things to reduce lower body injuries: (1) abdominal/core workouts. The 20% of soldiers in an artillery unit who could do the most situps had 1/5th as many lower body injuries per person as the lowest 40%*; (2) soleus exercises (calf raises with at least slightly bent knees) and stretching (calf stretch) to increase range of calf motion to reduce the incidence of ankle injuries.

Vitamin E is supposedly effective in speeding healing of some injuries. (And even if it doesn't work on yours, it's an antioxidant and reduces the risk of heart disease.) Losing 10 pounds means that everything you do causes less impact on joints. Some studies have shown that balance training and plyometrics (jumping exercises) reduce serious knee injuries in sports.

Lots of sleep, good nutrition, good hydration, and a daily multivitamin,all fit in the category of couldn't hurt/almost certainly helps as does (maybe) regular stretching as long as you do it right (stretching to the point of gentle tension, with warmed up muscles, instead of ballistic bouncing.)

If you must take a pill, glucosamine and chondroitin were reportedly taken as supplements by the U.S. ski team members as of a couple of years ago, to strengthen and speed healing of knee ligaments (strains and MCL tears; your ACL, alas, doesn't grow back if severed.) Some people swear by glucosamine and MSN, but I don't know anything about studies supporting it.

Some months ago, Men's Health took a look at various supplements, and (in my recollection) concluded that current scientific information suggests that HGH is useless for what its proponents claim it does.

*As a "study" it's not necessarily clear that this proves any connection with core strength, since that 20% may have been the most fit/least malingering, and it wasn't a large study.

Good luck, from another guy (46) on the glide path...
post #24 of 40
Lifiting weights and getting a good nights sleep are both suppoosed to increase your HGH naturally. Could be other ways too but those are ones I know of. Still probably not going to be as high as it was when you were younger though.

Testosterone gel is something to consider. I don't know that it helps shorten recovery time at all, but it does help you perform better physically. It's also inexpensive. A tube costs about $45 and it lasts me about a year, but your doctor will most likely make you get a bunch of blood tests before prescribing it, which can add up.
post #25 of 40
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Originally Posted by sfdean
The latest (November) issue of Men's Health suggests two things to reduce lower body injuries: (1) abdominal/core workouts. The 20% of soldiers in an artillery unit who could do the most situps had 1/5th as many lower body injuries per person as the lowest 40%*;*As a "study" it's not necessarily clear that this proves any connection with core strength, since that 20% may have been the most fit/least malingering, and it wasn't a large study.

Also situps does not equal CORE STRENGTH..... different muscles usedd than the deep core muscles you really need....
post #26 of 40
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Originally Posted by TomB
I am 42 years old and I also see my body slowly fall appart. I am not as strong as I used to be, I don't have as much stamina, recuperation is much longer and staying away from injuries has become my primary focus.

Recuperation is the key. For example, I used to compete in bodybuilding and used to work out 4-5 times a week with weights. Now I work out 2 times a week only and I split my body so that effectively each muscle part is worked out once a week. Indeed, I feel that I need 1 week to recuperate a muscle group after an intense workout with weights. Same for running. I only run 2 times a week (not on days when I work out with weights). When I go mountain biking I run only once a week. My mountain bike sessions are long (2-3 hours), intense and very taxing on my body. Again recuperation is very important. Aging is tough. You best option is to accept it and learn to manage it. In 20 years from now you will probably be thankful that you did not mess around with hormones or steroids.

Good luck!
Wow! I thought I was the only one so sadly afflicted. So THIS is aging?! Phooey!
post #27 of 40
Bad news boys....

It is another type of recovery that will do you in more

Check "refractory period" :P
post #28 of 40
Nice to have clinical confirmation of yet another infirmity.....

( I would have responded sooner by I really couldn't get it together.)
post #29 of 40
disski says:
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Originally Posted by disski
Also situps does not equal CORE STRENGTH..... different muscles used than the deep core muscles you really need....
And what works the "deep" core muscles, and what muscles are those other than the lower back, the abdominals (specifically the obliques, the rectus abdominus and the transverse abdominus) and hip muscles?

(Pardon my ignorance if that's a foolish question and there's widespread agreement on what core strength/core muscles means, but a google search of "core strength" turns up 2.6 million hits, and the quickly skimmed few seem to be discussing mid-body strength prominently involving the abdominals named above, the lower back, and hips.)

In demanding skiing, or at least in the kind of skiing one does in a GS or slalom course, it seems to me that along with hip and gluteal muscle and legs (1) you use the rectus abdominus a lot, both the lower abdominus in leg retraction (my test for that is muscle soreness after doing lateral hops over a high broomstick or sets of stadium hops up a very steep multi-story staircase) and both the upper and lower rectus abdominus in getting forward (or, in my case, ahem, trying to get back forward after getting back), (2) you use the obliques, both in twisting movements and in a side crunch to load up the outside ski (look at angulation in high-level slalom skiers), and (3) you use the muscles of the lower back (erector spinae?) to straighten up again after being thrown forward. Seems to me you'd use all of those in situps with a twist. You use all of these muscles, and more, for stabilization and balance adjustments, but mid-body strength developed through exercises like situps (and sidebends, and good mornings or deadlifts) seems very relevant to core strength.

(Caveat: many people argue that there is no such thing as the "lower" or "upper" rectus abdominus, that it's one muscle used in any contraction forward, when you're trying to put your shoulders closer to your knees. My experience is that, whether that is true or not, it's also definitely true that some exercises (leg raises) create lots of soreness near the lower points of attachment and other exercises (weighted crunches) create lots of soreness near the upper points of attachment, so the abdominus responds to training as if there really are separate ways to train the abdominus for very different things: Pulling the shoulders and head forward or retracting the legs.)


What am I missing?
post #30 of 40
You want LM or dp for muscle names .... us pharmacist types don't do gross anatomy .... only cellular level stuff (for drug actions).....

Also my instructor that teaches this stuff is a staatliche & only knows the names in German & I haven't taken to German/Austrian ski lessons YET!

In pilates class they did not name them.... but it is the DEEP muscles you want to use .... not the top layer that you work doing sit ups....

Check all the fitball/pilates stuff.... but from those classes I can tell you if you can feel the muscles being "sore" the next day - you probably stuffed up & used the outer layer not the deep core stability ones....

LM will probably explain it better..... or try RicB the Tai Chi guys use it also....

From what the staatliche tells me the austrians are REALLY into this stuff.... he is v ery happy I like doing fitball exercises.... (now if I could just get somewhere to start again.... oh well ca'nt surf & find fitball class)
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