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post #31 of 54
Is there no point that John Mason WON'T have an issue with? : This WAS an interesting thread....

Nice visuals BB. I get it.
post #32 of 54
from what Kevin wrote about Tim's implementation of the 1000 Steps (at ETU), I would hazard a guess that he implemented a more skating oriented version of 1000 Steps. If the focus is on cross-over, Skating 1000 Steps really empahsizes this, and its prety easy to feel. When skating there is a defined move to change directions, which is an easily felt/noticed cross-over. But I could be complete wrong since I wasn't there.
post #33 of 54
Fastman, Not to hijack this thread, but did you ever get a chance to grass ski?
post #34 of 54
No I didn't J, dang it. I got sidetracked fighting hurricanes. It's OK though, my idea of opening a grass skiing facility here in Florida on a landfill slope isn't needed anymore because I'm planning a relocation to Colorado as I speak. Guess I'll just leave that novel idea for the next guy.

FASTMAN
post #35 of 54
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick
No I didn't J, dang it. I got sidetracked fighting hurricanes. It's OK though, my idea of opening a grass skiing facility here in Florida on a landfill slope isn't needed anymore because I'm planning a relocation to Colorado as I speak. Guess I'll just leave that novel idea for the next guy.

FASTMAN
Now thats what I call a move! Good for you.
post #36 of 54
Bob B, how did you type " /\ \/ or || " in bold on your posts? (I cut and pasted these.)

I really like them as a way of presenting ski shapes in the written word.

Thanks,

T-2
post #37 of 54
/\ \/ ||
post #38 of 54
The following keys. || is 3 keys to the right of shift "P", twice. It has | and \ on it.

/\ is key 3 to the right of "M" and key 3 to the right of "P".

\/ is the opposite of /\.

that help?

Increasing the font makes them seperate.
post #39 of 54
Um, yep--skier_j has it--the symbols are the / (forward slash) and \ (back slash), and the |, the name of which I've forgotten, but it is on the same key as the back slash, shifted. I did bold the symbols to make them stand out better. The "X" was a little more challenging--simply a capital "x," one font larger, and bolded. But it's not a particularly useful ski position anyway, usually!

No, Bonni, I don't think there is. Sigh!

Best regards,
Bob Barnes
post #40 of 54
FastMan (you dog, you!)--Welcome Back!!!

Good post, too, describing some of the many useful variations of the "Thousand Steps" drill.

When will you be in Colorado?

Best regards,
Bob Barnes
post #41 of 54

Duhhhh!!

Duhhhhh!!!! Stupid, Stupid, Stupid. Boy do I feel stupid right now. Nothing like doing something humbling in front of the whole world. (Now where is the line to turn in my high school diploma? : )

Thanks guys.
post #42 of 54
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Barnes/Colorado
FastMan (you dog, you!)--Welcome Back!!!

Good post, too, describing some of the many useful variations of the "Thousand Steps" drill.

When will you be in Colorado?

Best regards,
Bob Barnes
Thanks Bob. I'm actually flying into Denver tomorrow morning for a week long exploration of potential areas. Want to have the whole moving process done by spring. Greatly looking forward to getting back to my mountain roots.

FASTMAN
post #43 of 54
| Is called 'pipe' much loved by *nix heads.

to make it bold do [ B]This Will Be Bold[ /B]

with no spaces between the [ and ]
post #44 of 54
Rick--I very much look forward to meeting you. May our paths cross soon (so to speak--not always a great idea on skis!).

Welcome, in advance, "home"! I assure you that the skiing here is far superior to that in Florida.

Best regards,
Bob Barnes

PS--Big storm forecast for tonight. Hope you're bringing your skis!
post #45 of 54
T-Square--some might say it's the same line you stand in to become a ski instructor....



Best regards,
Bob Barnes
post #46 of 54
Bob,

OK! As long as I know precisely where to stand.
post #47 of 54

I found this video but realize that there are lots of variations of the thousand steps drill...which variation would you consider this video?

 

post #48 of 54

It's a pretty basic version; gentle, non dynamic, slightly diverging steps.  The versions in my video I put up in your thread are more advanced versions;  power steps, and rapid steps.  

post #49 of 54

Not to go off-topic, but if you will please tag threads that contain ski drills like this (drills-exercises) when you come across them, it will help build a cross reference with the wiki and make this content easy to find.

 

And holy zombie thread bump Batman!  2004. eek.gif

 

Gems like this are worth quoting and bringing to the current page or putting into a Wki....hmmm

 

 

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Originally Posted by Bob Barnes View Post

"Thousand Steps" is, as others have pointed out, an excellent drill for many things. In various forms, it can be a great introduction to good skiing movements on the flats for first time beginners, or a challenging, ultra-dynamic drill for the highest level experts at top speed. It develops a functional, athletic stance, and fore-aft and lateral balance, including proper movements through the dramatically changing dynamics of ski turns, as well as the cross-over through turn transitions. It develops independent feet, and foot-to-foot movements, and it's a great "step" in a progression prior to working on the myriad weight transfer (inside edge to inside/flat/outside edge) and stepping (parallel/lateral, converging, diverging, skating) variations. It develops fundamental rotary skills ("independent leg rotation"), tipping/edging skills, and the flexing-extending movements responsible for both pressure-control and balance. It produces the "feel" of gliding and carving turns, and of controlling speed with line (e.g. completing turns), rather than braking. Effective arm movements, good alignment through the turn, "offensive" attitude.... Not to mention, it's good aerobic exercise (don't forget to breathe!) and a great warmup drill for a cold day.

Beware, though, that its versatility is also the achilles heel of Thousand Steps. It can "fix" virtually any problem in skiing, develop any skill. But it is only as specific as you, or your instructor, make it. For any particular effect, you have to choose terrain and line carefully, and modify the drill, or at least focus on the desired movement or component. It's already apparent in this discussion that people here have been exposed to several different versions, presumably for different valid purposes. Simply shifting your balance from foot to foot, for example, develops very different skills than "skating" through turns. Both are useful. Both are "Thousand Steps."

"Thousand Steps" is like a broad-spectrum antibiotic that works for many things, but can be so overused and non-specific that it loses all effect. I think it's important, especially in light of the original question ("What is Thousand Steps?"), to understand that it can have many faces. It isn't so much something you "do" as a tool you use in particular ways to accomplish particular objectives. The simple, unqualified instruction to "do some Thousand Steps" is pretty much useless on its own.

As generally good as the exercise is, it's worth noting that it can also produce or reinforce some very bad movement patterns if you aren't careful. I strongly recommend the watchful eye of a good instructor to make sure you learn to do it "right." For example, imagine simply stepping around in a circle, without moving forward--the most elementary version of Thousand Steps (sometimes called a "star turn," after the marks it leaves in the snow). You have two basic choices. You can open and close the tails of your skis, creating the letter "A" with each step, as you look down at your skis, and pivoting around the ski tips. Or you can open the TIPS, creating the letter "V" with each step, and pivoting around the tails. Add some forward movement now, and step around a small circle on the flats. The two movement options produce two very different effects. "V's" allow you to walk or skate cleanly around the circle, each step moving you into the turn. "A's" cause you to push your tails out, away from your intended direction, making it difficult to make the turn.

Since offensive ski turns are used to "go where you want to go," they require the movements of the "V" technique. The majority of intermediate and even advanced recreational skiers, though, will usually make "A's" when they first try Thousand Steps. This is instructive, because it's also how they make their "normal" ski turns as well, initiating them by pushing their tails, or their outside tail, out into a skid. Focusing on Thousand Steps with "V's," not "A's," is an extremely effective drill for replacing this defensive "negative" movement pattern with the "positive" ("into the turn") movements of offensive skiing. If anyone wants to try this, focus especially on your movements at the transition between turns. Most skiers can quickly learn to make "V's not A's" through the turn, but then resort to a few "A's" at the transition. You've got to fix it there too, if you want to make truly offensive, high-performance, linked, carved turns. Make sure you're on very gentle terrain, at least at first, so that "fear of the fall line" doesn't interfere!

Enough for now. Time to get on the snow. Right tip right to go right.... V's, not A's.... Go!

Best regards,
Bob Barnes


 

post #50 of 54

I bumped the thread as only part of it was in the wiki and there was the question about video...what is the protocol for adding to a wiki?  Should (could?) I have added the video link on the wiki instead of this thread?

post #51 of 54

Wikis that are open for editing can be changed by any member.  Wikis should not be static documents.  Something we need to do is to create a better master index to make them more useful.  There are several wikis, located under D (drills) http://www.epicski.com/wiki/alpha/d  but instruction information and drills are unfortunately located throughout the wikis alpha index.  Please feel free to make edits that help improve the wiki.  Tags tie these together by showing links in the right column of this thread and showing related material under the Tag.

post #52 of 54
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Originally Posted by Rick View Post

It's a pretty basic version; gentle, non dynamic, slightly diverging steps.  The versions in my video I put up in your thread are more advanced versions;  power steps, and rapid steps.  


Not to be a pest, but...which thread was "your thread"? I'd like to bookmark it for next November. Obviously I haven't adjusted to Life Outside Skiing yet.
post #53 of 54
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Originally Posted by litterbug View Post



Quote:
Originally Posted by Rick View Post

It's a pretty basic version; gentle, non dynamic, slightly diverging steps.  The versions in my video I put up in your thread are more advanced versions;  power steps, and rapid steps.  




Not to be a pest, but...which thread was "your thread"? I'd like to bookmark it for next November. Obviously I haven't adjusted to Life Outside Skiing yet.


Danged if I know now, litterbug!  biggrin.gif  

 

Here's the video, though.  The thousand steps demos can be found starting at 4:15.  You'll see the power version, and the rapid version, of the 1000 steps drill.  

 

 

 

 

post #54 of 54
Thanks! Could the link put into an article or something? As someone else has said, everyone talks about 1000 steps but a picture is worth, well, 1000 steps!
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