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post #31 of 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by Phil Pugliese
Lew,

Have you tried going shorter? I have gone from...

203 G-max
193 SuperKarve
193 Powerkarve
188 T-3 Epic
178 Machete Truth
178 Gravity 66
and for this year...
175 Platinums

As my rock skis, I also have...
173 PowerKarve (actually my wifes old hand me downs)

I never thought I would ever ski anything under a 203..but again I was not walking errect and I was dragging my club in my hand at the time.

The 175's are a great size, I have no issues with fore or aft balance compared to any of the 180+cm skis. IMO, your knees will feel better too. Shorten up, I think you will be pleasantly surprised.

Phil, I am still loving my 190 T-3 Powers (just got them used last winter). I have knicknamed then my Golden Rockets after a Hank Snow train song. With my new boots I am in Ski Heaven this year. However, I was in our local version of Sports Authority closeout center and picked up a pair of 180 Gravity 68's for an obscenely low price. I have a 15 year old who is 5" 7" and 125 who is in love with his 165 Gravity 66's. I figure the 68's will be good in a few years and in the meantime I will try them and see if there is merit to short. I believe this ski is similar to the Machete Truth (the 68's are '3/'04 with the riser plate). How do you think they will be for someone like me (6', 175) who skis fast and loves the 190 T-3?

PS Xdoggie, How are your Volants doing for you? LewBob
post #32 of 56
It is going to be a much quicker and livelier ski than the T3 Powers ever were without loosing any of its stability. The only thing you will miss is the floatation on the Power. Get them, it is a great ski.
post #33 of 56
Great, I already got them. For $68!!!! I figured they might be a fun carving ski. I've got other skis for powder. After my original PowerKarves I find the T-3 plenty quick and lively. But, I like to ski fast, and any ski gets livelier as the speed and load increase. If I were to have one ski, my T-3's are it. BTW, I remember you responding to a post on binding height with the Volants that now have a binding plate. I have a spare set of Marker 1200 Pistons. Do you think that will be an okay height, especially for firm snow carving? Thanks for the response. LewBob
post #34 of 56
I will be honest. I bought my Volant Machete Souls from rei-outlet.com because they were only $184. I did some online research before buying them and most of what I read was pretty positive. I am 5'11" 180lbs and bought a 175. I don't know what level skier I am, but was a ski instructor back in the early 90's and ski pretty aggressively (when not with my kids that is).

I love the skis so far. They are fast, stable, and real quick edge to edge (I am using sollie s810 AXE+ on top of the volant plate so I am pretty high off the ski so that helps). I have not had them in powder yet, but at 72 at the waist I am sure they won't be too bad. So far I have been pretty psyched with my purchase. $184 for the skis, $100 for the bindings, so I got a pretty good deal! My local Sports Authority has FB's, SINS, and I think some Genesis v2's for $197 (and were 25% off that). If I had the cash I would pick up some SINS too for that rare east coast powder day that I actually catch.

Hopefully I won't have any of the problems people have talked about here, cause I really like 'em.
post #35 of 56
those 1200's will be fine.
post #36 of 56
Thread Starter 
I'm liking, but not loving, my SIN's. They are a bit much for me at 185 cm and a 24m radius.

When I can let them run, I feel super stable on them. They have nice float in pow too. They absolutely destroy crud, and they hold ice well.

They are very heavy to carry, and hurt my knees hanging from the lift.

But overall, it's a good ski.
post #37 of 56
My first choice would have been some Machete Soul's-closest to my T-3 Powers. None of those around. I figure the Gravity 68's will be a little more carvy. As for the weight, Xdoggie, any of these are light after my 193 PowerKarves . Those were real tanks, but I think that was part of the reason they blast through crud. LewBob
post #38 of 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by xdog1
I'm liking, but not loving, my SIN's. They are a bit much for me at 185 cm and a 24m radius.

When I can let them run, I feel super stable on them. They have nice float in pow too. They absolutely destroy crud, and they hold ice well.

They are very heavy to carry, and hurt my knees hanging from the lift.

But overall, it's a good ski.
My SINs are 165cm (the shortest ski in my quiver - I'm 5'7" 175lbs.), but I figured that with their weight and reputation for smooth stability that I could go short on them and not be sacrificing much (along with getting a shorter turn radius). I have found that they ski really well with really high edge angles (they hold like glue) and the real surprise was how well these 80mm waist skis snake through the moguls. The tails have a lot more flex to them than any of my other skis, but they don't wash out even at a short 165cm. My only complaint is that one of the rivets on the tip protector has popped out. I've sent an e-mail to Volant, but no response in a week. REI said I need to bring them back to the store to be evaluated for repair or replacement.
post #39 of 56

Machete FB vs. Chubb

I have not read all of the prior posts, so I do not know if I am repeating a question. Chubb or FB?

I have been looking for a pair of fats, and will agree with most that the deals that have been popping up for the volant line are enticing. I have read good things about the chubbs and fb's, but am trying to decide on the proper ski. I am 6'3", 250 lbs, mid to late 30's, and ski everything, accept the baldy chutes, at Alta in Utah.

Any recomendations regarding the volants, or other brands.
post #40 of 56
Noodler is on the right track. 165cm SINs would make for a very versatile ski.

As xdog has noticed, 185cm and 24m radius is just to long for modern carving. That said there are a few frieght train / straight line lads out there who'd love the 185s.

Its always amazed me how much the length can change the charachter of a ski.

Each to his own.
post #41 of 56
If you can find eitehr the Chubbs or FB's in a 185 at Sports Authoritys..they have them for $120.00. The longest I have seen is a 175 here in Philly.
post #42 of 56
I love my Machete Soul(180)/Chubb(185) combo...took a few days to get used to the weight...now I absolutely love them both...Soul rips on everything (especially steeps) and skis wider than it's 72mm in the soft stuff...and the chubb is a dream in anything remotely soft. Both are quite heavy though...but NOW I seem to like the weight..

but does anyone find that these Volants are very temperamental when it comes to the tune (from the tortional stiffness perhaps). Out of the wrapper both were seriously grabby....this was fixed with a little tip/tail detuning...then they were perfect.

Then I took a 4" chunk out of my Soul's bases and had them fixed and tuned at a shop....grabbiness was even worse than when new....detuned tips and tails...better, but now they seem to have much less edge hold due to the base bevel the shop gave them (supposed to be 1 degree). Anyone have any experience with this?

To answer Chubb or FB...imo Chubb...if it's for pow (which I'm assuming it is) the softer tip makes it float better....and it is still very stiff and beefy...
post #43 of 56
I have had problems of grabbiness with my Volkls, but never with my Volants. I wouldn't detune the tips and tails, but maybe increase the bevel a bit at the ends. The base bevel the shop gave them should have been matched by a 1 degree side bevel. Even 2 degrees might be okay, and would assure that you keep your edgehold. How good is the shop you took them too? Maybe they are railed a bit at the extremes and that is why they are grabby. LewBob
post #44 of 56
Phil,
Which SA in the Philly area has the 175 FB for $120? Thanks.
post #45 of 56
Just a quick update on the lost rivet for my Machete Sins. REI was able to get some replacement rivets from Atomic/Volant in about 5 days. I brought the skis in and they repaired my ski while they showed me how to install the rivets. Then they gave me a bag of about 5 extras and sent me on my way for free. Kudos to REI for handling this problem very well.

BTW - Still loving my Machete Sins in 165cm. It's only 5cm longer than the skis I learned on! I'd be more concerned for my manhood if I wasn't getting so many complements on the skis and my skiing.
post #46 of 56
I had one full day on my 175 Machete Sins and really enjoyed the characteristics of the ski. I am 5 11 225. They were stable through chopped up mess, and carved very well. They could get moving when I let them run, and they felt great in the shallow powder Sugar Mtn. had this late winter. I tightened the Tip Guard hex nuts and super glued the suckers in so they will never fall out. At under $200, what the heck? My son in law liked the Machete FB's I bought him. He went nuts and got a timeshare at Tahoe, so something paid off.
post #47 of 56

Hype

There's a liquidation house in the Boston area named Building #19. Two years ago the picked up a lot of z-max and g-max Volants. They were selling them for $30 a pair. I had a used racing binding sitting in the closet so I bought a pair and mounted them. The quality control obviously was lacking in the way they were made, but they skied great IMHO. Although I have a pair of shaped Volkl's, I skied the Volants this past year.
post #48 of 56

tuning

Quote:
Originally Posted by X-EastCoaster
but does anyone find that these Volants are very temperamental when it comes to the tune (from the tortional stiffness perhaps). Out of the wrapper both were seriously grabby....this was fixed with a little tip/tail detuning...then they were perfect.
I feel my volants are picky about the tune. Or maybe I'm the one who's picky. I have eliminated which shops I will no longer use to tune my volants. When I go with a 1 base/2 side, and detune the tips/tails, they are happy skis.
post #49 of 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by marta
I feel my volants are picky about the tune. Or maybe I'm the one who's picky. I have eliminated which shops I will no longer use to tune my volants. When I go with a 1? base/2? side, and detune the tips/tails, they are happy skis.
Marta, is most of the 'pickyness' noticeable when you ski slush?
post #50 of 56
My old Volant PowerKarves were not picky. My new Gravity 68's are. I could not ski them with factory tune and spent last night flat filing them and putting 1 and 1/2 degree base bevel on the shovel. I will see how that does. Maybe the new skis are stiffer longitudinally to deal with the shorter lengths we are using. The older skis were stiff torsionally, but soft longitudinally. Make any sense? LewBob

PS Comprex, for me the problem is on hard snow. They over grab as soon as I tip then over just a little. They were probably railed just a bit when I got them, but I also think they need more base bevel than my PowereKarves and T-3 powers.
post #51 of 56
No, it's anytime. If I have a bad tune, I know it right off the bat. They'd just feel like they've got minds of their own. Whether it's the volants, or that I now know what a good or bad tune feels like, I'm not really sure. For slush, I go with spring wax, but same specs.
post #52 of 56
LewBob, I might agree with your description of the relative flex, but I am rather unsettled in my thinking beyond that point. I made any number of balance changes this season and the Chubbs felt different, overedged as you say, with the same tune as last year's. ???
post #53 of 56
Quote:
Originally Posted by comprex
LewBob, I might agree with your description of the relative flex, but I am rather unsettled in my thinking beyond that point. I made any number of balance changes this season and the Chubbs felt different, overedged as you say, with the same tune as last year's. ???
Were they just fore/aft changes, or was any canting done? I am not bowlegged, but I do have a lot of curve in my lower leg. I have Langes with the 1 1/2 degree sole (shimming on the outside) and I still find myself overedged on some skis. My older Volants, no problema. New Volants and Volkls, problem. LewBob
post #54 of 56
Fore/aft balance, but some stance work as well so no great hints to anything today. I have faith in next season
post #55 of 56
If you were canted, that would increase edging with less angulation. The pics you sent me show knock-kneed stance before alignment, which should mean being underedged... I can't imagine that your bootfitter has you overedged now, but it could be. It also could be that you are adjusting to the new stance. Any changes in how your other skis feel?

You might try putting a little more base bevel on the shovels, or the whole length if neccessary. Do you have the tools? Increasing base bevel with an appropriate increase in side bevel turned some unskiable Volkls of mine into great skis. LewBob
post #56 of 56
Skied my Gravity 68's today and they were great: much quicker than my t-3 Powers, good on groomed, hardpack, junk, shallow powder. Had a ball on them. The only thing they give up to my T-3's is ultimate stability and deep powder float.

Perhaps part of why I enjoyed them so much was the company of Uncla Louie and Bong. Great guys, great skiers, they really reved me up. Later, LewBob
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