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post #151 of 165

Skied A Basin a fair number of times from 66 to 76.  Remember the 3 lifts and Beaver.

 

There was an older double with erector set towers that was used for overflow; think it was the center lift.  The poma, don't remember ever seeing it running; but it was a very long time ago.  

 

Beaver area is another story.  Was there for 2 weeks in 74 in a group thing with a bunch of instructors from all over.  First on the hill meeting we were told in pretty clear terms, that if we went there we were going home early.  I was a good boy that time.  76 was there again and did ski Beaver; remember it was a very long traverse getting out without a Poli lift.  Think you accessed through a gate.   Beaver was not so much a run as an area at the time.

post #152 of 165
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Skied A Basin a fair number of times from 66 to 76.  Remember the 3 lifts and Beaver.

 

There was an older double with erector set towers that was used for overflow; think it was the center lift.  The poma, don't remember ever seeing it running; but it was a very long time ago.  

 

Beaver area is another story.  Was there for 2 weeks in 74 in a group thing with a bunch of instructors from all over.  First on the hill meeting we were told in pretty clear terms, that if we went there we were going home early.  I was a good boy that time.  76 was there again and did ski Beaver; remember it was a very long traverse getting out without a Poli lift.  Think you accessed through a gate.   Beaver was not so much a run as an area at the time.

Well, that sounds the same as it is now. 

post #153 of 165
Never realized you could find old maps on that site. Thanks for that link, @anachronism, it'll help my understanding some of the changes in the maps here over the years. The old ones I have are so far from what's there today as to be unrecognizable.
post #154 of 165
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Never realized you could find old maps on that site. Thanks for that link, @anachronism, it'll help my understanding some of the changes in the maps here over the years. The old ones I have are so far from what's there today as to be unrecognizable.

 

I get really geeky about old trail maps and lift installations, and love both of those sites, although the guy that put Colorado Ski History together has stopped doing many updates to the site.  I would be terribly sad if the site ever went away.

 

Here are a few Colorado Favorites from Skimap.org

 

Lake City Ski Hill (Lake City, CO). Still in operation.

 

Broadmoor ski area, Colorado Springs. Long Gone. The lift was a double chair and from time to time they strung a portable rope tow up "Puma."

 

Hidden Valley Ski Area, Rocky Mountain National Park. Not so much a terrible ski map, but a terrible layout. Note a sizable portion of the ski area had no lift service, and you had to cross the road to ski from upper to lower mountain. Story is, a chairlift was installed right around the time the National Park Service decided a ski area was something they had no interest in allowing inside the park boundaries. The chairlift had some problems with its install, and rather than fix the problem, they tore it out.  The ski area was closed in 1991 but remains an excellent backcountry spot.

 

 

 

Ski Hesperus, Hesperus Co (10 miles West of Durango). Still in operation. The "Proposed Beginner Intermediate Lift" has been "proposed" for at least a decade.  It is the old bunny hill lift from Aspen Highlands and parts have been sitting in the snow at Hesperus for about the same amount of time. I sincerely doubt the lift is still serviceable, but could be wrong on that count. In any case, I would be more surprised for it to be installed than to go another decade with it "proposed."  This is actually a pretty cool little hill- 700 vert with some legitimate steep lines.

post #155 of 165

Here is an old one from Sierra Ski Ranch (1970)

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post #156 of 165
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How about this one? I learned to ski the steeps here! Mid Michigan community rope tow.
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I sometimes have a recurring dream about skiing and sledding at a place exactly like that as a child.  Thing is, I don't remember actually skiing or sledding at a place like that so I conclude I did in some previous life or parallel universe.  And, there were no snowboarders when I was that young.  Anyone know how long this rope tow hill has been operating or know of any other rope tow sledding hills?  I did go to the tubing operation one local golf course ran in the winters, but that doesn't match the dream nearly as well as this map does..

post #157 of 165
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Here is an old one from Sierra Ski Ranch (1970)

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Why would they ever name a trail "Avalanche Bowl"? Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen.

post #158 of 165
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Why would they ever name a trail "Avalanche Bowl"? Sounds like a lawsuit waiting to happen.

LOL, not many law suits back then I guess... 

For that matter why would you name a run "Rock Garden" :dunno

post #159 of 165
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I sometimes have a recurring dream about skiing and sledding at a place exactly like that as a child.  Thing is, I don't remember actually skiing or sledding at a place like that so I conclude I did in some previous life or parallel universe.  And, there were no snowboarders when I was that young.  Anyone know how long this rope tow hill has been operating or know of any other rope tow sledding hills?  I did go to the tubing operation one local golf course ran in the winters, but that doesn't match the dream nearly as well as this map does..


This is a current sign.  I first skied there when I was under 10 so thats 50 years ago, there were no boarders then either and the tubing  side was the "green" side.  I do remember that it was at times an unmanned rope run by what my young minds eye would say was an old car/truck chassis with a drive wheel acting as the  power supply.  If some one rode or got dragged thru the safety stop it took a long time for someone to come turn it back on....we had to hike for turns in the mean time.  I suspect that is a very unlikely memory tho....even 50 years ago safety of "the children" would not have allowed unmanned.

 

We have a muinicipal rope tow here in my current town that opens very very infrequently these days.

post #160 of 165

When I first skied A-Basin (1948?) there were 2 double chairs with erector set towers.  One for the Lower Basin, one for the Upper Basin.  They were roughly in the same paths used today.  To  add capacity a Poma was installed next to the Lower Basin lift in the '50's.  It was a tough lift, very hard to ride and it preceded mechanical grooming so it was a son-of-a gun.  Willy Shaeffler (sp?) the DU and one time US ski team coach  severed his achilles tendon while riding the thing.  Early on at A-Basin the upper lift wasn't high enough off the surface and part of it ran in a trench some years.

 

Skiing the lower lift line was also very difficult.  Not sure I ever did it, but I fell everywhere else up there so I might have.  I've always been a more enthusiastic than skilled skier.

 

Lift maps?  Not a lot of 'em around in Colorado in those days.

post #161 of 165
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When I first skied A-Basin (1948?) there were 2 double chairs with erector set towers.  One for the Lower Basin, one for the Upper Basin.  They were roughly in the same paths used today.  To  add capacity a Poma was installed next to the Lower Basin lift in the '50's.  It was a tough lift, very hard to ride and it preceded mechanical grooming so it was a son-of-a gun.  Willy Shaeffler (sp?) the DU and one time US ski team coach  severed his achilles tendon while riding the thing.  Early on at A-Basin the upper lift wasn't high enough off the surface and part of it ran in a trench some years.

 

Skiing the lower lift line was also very difficult.  Not sure I ever did it, but I fell everywhere else up there so I might have.  I've always been a more enthusiastic than skilled skier.

 

Lift maps?  Not a lot of 'em around in Colorado in those days.

Do you remember about when the poma by Slalom was put in?  It accessed the polivachini  area.  It seemed about the same vintage as the lower poma and engineered to about the same level.

post #162 of 165
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Do you remember about when the poma by Slalom was put in?  It accessed the polivachini  area.  It seemed about the same vintage as the lower poma and engineered to about the same level.

 

As posted above @segbrown thinks the map is 1970-1971? Note that it shows the Poma up Slalom Slope area as a future lift.  If Segbrown is right, that would probably mean 1971-1972?

 

Then again, skimap.org dates this picture from 1967, and it shows the Slalom Poma. These aerial photos with the lifts added in blue lines all came from some book (skimap has a bunch of them- all labeled 1967) on Colorado skiing, which would be an easy thing to date by the person that scanned them...

 

 

I would like to know as well.

post #163 of 165

Remember riding that lift in the later 60's it was a nasty thing, but the skiing was good off of it.  I do not remember the lift shown in the upper bowl on the left under the East Wall.  Kind of amazing to be able to remember anything out of the 60's.

 

Here is another one of Colorado's lost giants.  There was no lift service to the long winding trails, you accessed them farther up the road they were actually pretty good but a bit flat. There was a rope tow and 2 pomas.  Taught here a couple of winters in high school. 

 

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post #164 of 165
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Lake City Ski Hill (Lake City, CO). Still in operation.

 

Making a circle of sorts, I just found information indicating this poma came from A-Basin in 1966.

 

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 c. LAKE CITY - This ski area, once called WINTER WONDERLAND, is a
    small area just south of Lake City which we covered in "LOST - 6"
    and also visited, last September.  We just ran across an article
    on the area which clarifies a few points.  The area was started by
    the town in 1966 with an old Poma lift from A-Basin installed on a
    small slope with 287 feet of vertical.  The slope was mostly used
    by local town youth.  Things were fine for many years until 1986,
    when the Colorado Tramway Board's new regulations required new
    safety features that the town couldn't afford.  So the lift and
    the ski area shut down.

    In 1989, during a visit to Lake City, Colorado Governor Romer was
    asked to relax the rules.  He said he couldn't do that but would
    get help.  Soon, representatives from Breckenridge, Keystone,
    Vail, Royal Gorge Bridge Company, and Poma of America came with
    parts and expertise and got the lift up to code.  (An estimated
    $20,000 worth of parts and labor were donated.)  The lift was
    certified and has been operating since 1989.   The stats:

     Vertical drop:  287 ft       Top:  8987       Base:  8700  
     Lifts:  1 Poma

post #165 of 165
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I sometimes have a recurring dream about skiing and sledding at a place exactly like that as a child.  Thing is, I don't remember actually skiing or sledding at a place like that so I conclude I did in some previous life or parallel universe.  And, there were no snowboarders when I was that young.  Anyone know how long this rope tow hill has been operating or know of any other rope tow sledding hills?  I did go to the tubing operation one local golf course ran in the winters, but that doesn't match the dream nearly as well as this map does..

That was from a trip Bonni and I took in, apparently, 2004.  I took those pictures at the time, 2004, of the map and the top of the black run, they are not from my childhood in say 63'ish.  so snowboarding was not even in the picture for what? 2 decades?

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