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Atomic R11 vs. R10 vs. R9

post #1 of 21
Thread Starter 
I'm more confused than ever. I am an advanced-intermediate skier (70% blue runs, 30% black runs). Mostly groomed, but some medium bumps from time to time. I am 6'2 195 lbs. I ski pretty aggressively (meaning fast on groomers, but more deliberate on steeps).

I am trying to decide between R11's and R10's or R9's. I am leaning towards the R11 in a 170, but I am concerned it might be too much ski for me. I think 170 is a little short for me, so I thought the stiffer R11 might be the perfect fit. However, I'm still concerned that it is too much ski (whatever that means?). Would I be better of in the R10 or R9 in a 180? Or maybe even one of the two in a 170?

I'm looking for something that I can take everywhere, but rip effortlessly on the groomed runs.

My last ski was a Volkl Carver Motion which I hated. Didn't seem to turn effortlessly and chattered on flats. Plus, I was never able to find the sweet spot. I'm not sure if it was too stiff, or not stiff enough? I'm desparate for help and I will not have an oppotunity to demo any of these skis before I need to make this decision.
post #2 of 21
I am on the 10:20 from 2 years ago and love it. I am 215lbs and 5'-11" (height is not really important, more important is weight, point load on the ski).

I love that ski, not to stiff, but not butter. I had a pair of 9.22 previous, and it was a little soft.

The R11 is really stiff, I would recommend the R10. Biggest difference is that you will have to be on the R11 more or work it more, because it is less forgiving then the R10, but not by much.

I have skied my 10:20 out west and out east, on groomers and ob and loved it. It holds very well on hard packed (groomed, ice, etc) very well.

Length wise, if you are going to stick mainly to groomer go with the 170 but if you plan on doing a lot of pow or ob skiing go with the 180. I am on a 180 and do not think I would go shorter, due to my weight (215lbs and very aggressive).

Hopefully this has helped. Good luck.

[ January 06, 2004, 06:07 AM: Message edited by: Calma ]
post #3 of 21
I have the R11s in 160 and I am 5'7" 170-180. My wife skis on the R10s in a 160 also.

I had them in 170 which was a solid ski but alittle to much for me in steep narrow runs.

If you can't demo, I would go with the R10 in a 170 but if you want to tuff it out like I am doing, get the R11 in 170.

I would definately be more comfortable on a softer ski that is more forgiving but I am already getting used to the R11s and probably would never want to go to a softer ski except for a powder ski.

I am probably right around your level but more into blacks and getting more into doubles and bumps. I am just starting to really bend the ski exactly when I want to utilize the energy and it is a blast.

I saw someone with my skis a few weeks ago and I was watching him ski. The ski was too stiff for him or he didn't have good technique because he was slipping and sliding everywhere. If you get off ballance and in the backseat you will get tossed. I blew out my right ACL last Feb at Cannon because I caught a patch of soft stuff on Avalanche and went into the fall line when I didn't want too. I ended up trying to scrub of the speed but caught an edge and CRACK.

I skied on Volkl 4 Stars before these and sent them back after bending them. I thought the had awesome edge hold but were way too bouncy in cutup and crud.

Make sure your boots are fitted properly and can handle the input you need to drive these badboys. If not you will get real tired real fast.
post #4 of 21
I think you would be happy on the R10. The R11 may have to much rebound for you. My 16 y/o likes his R11's because they give him back more then he puts in to them.
post #5 of 21
If he skies aggressively then the 11s might be better.

Debner,

Do you consider skiing aggressively as skiing fast and straight or skiing with very strong extension/contraction and tight carving, etc..?

If it's just fast go with the 10s. If it is with aggressive and strong movements then try the R11 because for your size it should be doable.
post #6 of 21
Thread Starter 
I think aggressive is one of the most overused words in skiing. When I am on a long medium blue run, I try to ski effortlessly with medium to long turns. On a steep blue or black, I ski more or less along the fall line, with shorter edge to edge turns. And if I get myself in a really steep black, or double diamond, I am more likely to come to a near stop on each turn, and really dig in.

My primary goal is to get a ski that is FUN! Based on the above, which would be more fun/less work, the R10 or R11? I ski only in Colorado and Utah, but I only ski 6-10 days per year.
post #7 of 21
Quote:
Originally posted by debner:
I think aggressive is one of the most overused words in skiing.
Your initial post said "I ski pretty aggressively (meaning fast on groomers, but more deliberate on steeps)."

Fast on groomers and deliberate are not necessarily considered aggressive skiing so that is why I asked for clarification.

I think alot of people ski fast on groomers and make deliberate movements on steeps but would not call themselves aggressive skiers.

Go with the R10.

[ January 06, 2004, 10:51 AM: Message edited by: Scalce ]
post #8 of 21
Thread Starter 
I agree that I might not be an aggressive skier. I was just trying to point out that skiing style is harder to explain that simply aggressive or not aggressive. With regard to the R11 vs. R10 discussion, I think I should definitely go with a 170. With that being said, do I weigh too much for the R10 (195 lbs)? That was one of the reasons I was leaning toward the R11 in the first place, so that I could ski it shorter. If you guys think I could ski the R10 in a 170 with no problem @ 195 lbs, then I think that's the ski I should go with. Any thoughts on that specifically?
post #9 of 21
I personally do not think there is a huge gap between the R10 and R11.

I think there is one extra layer of metal which makes it slightly stiffer. I beleive some of the constuction materials are different also. The R10 comes stock with the 310 Ride binding which is lighter than the R11 with the stock 412 binding. The weight difference is pretty minimal though.

Either one in 170 should be perfect for you.

Is it totally impossible for you to demo?
post #10 of 21
If you're going to be skiing primarily on groomers, why not get a ski that is more user friendly for what you want to use them for. The R11, 10, and 9 all have a 70mm.+ waist that is better suited to someone that wants to ski off piste at least fifty percent of the time. I've found that these 70mm. waisted skis are a compromise that don't really excell in any one area. You sound to me that you would be better off with a cross/carve ski which would be acceptable off piste and in bumps, yet would give you much better performance on the groomers. If you want to go with Atomic, check out the Supercross 9. The Dynastar Skicross 9, Head Cyber iC160 and iC180 would all be good choices. The Volkl Supersports have been very popular with a lot of people, but I share your dislike for the Volkls I've skied recently.
post #11 of 21
Quote:
Originally posted by Mac:
If you're going to be skiing primarily on groomers, why not get a ski that is more user friendly for what you want to use them for. The R11, 10, and 9 all have a 70mm.+ waist that is better suited to someone that wants to ski off piste at least fifty percent of the time. I've found that these 70mm. waisted skis are a compromise that don't really excell in any one area.
Have you skied on any of the 03/04 Atomic Rs?

They are very quick for a 70 waist and have good float for a 70 waist. It's not just marketing hype why people are going for midfats and fats.

Even the Volkl 5 and 6 Stars have a 68 waist but with more sidecut than the Atomic Rs.
post #12 of 21
I've got a pair of the 02/03 Atomic R11's. I don't know how similar they are to the 04 version. I like them for an all purpose ski if you're only going to have one pair, provided you intend to use them at least part of the time off piste. This season, I went back to hauling two pairs of skis around. I have a pair of 65mm waist skis for the groomers and a pair of 75mm for everything else.
post #13 of 21
Do you leave one pair in the car or take both to the slopes?

I always thought of myself as mostly a groomer person but since I got my R11s I am looking for any cutup or powder stashes to nail.

Personally I think their crud busting ability far outweighs any quickness in edge changing that you may lose with the 70 waist.

I would love to have a very narrow waist slalom ski for really hard conditions but the R11s already weigh too much.
post #14 of 21
I had the same question 1 year ago. I went with the 10. I love them. I can do a fairly good job on most blacks I have been on and double blacks give me some problems. I am still learning in the moguls. I am 5' 11" 170lb. I almost got the 11, but they were just too stiff for my ability. Not forgiving at all.
post #15 of 21
There's more Atomic experts out there, but I'm pretty sure the R11's have titanium power channels while the R10's have carbon fiber.

I ski on R11's at 180cm (6'0", 185 lb, skiing for more than 30 years, some racing in college) and I don't find them too much ski. It did take some getting used to after my '00 K2 Merlin VI (my first ski under 205cm since I was 14), but I really like the stability. I don't think the R11's have very much rebound energy at all (at least compared to the Atomic race skis I demo'ed). The R11's are absolute studs in the crud and cut powder and they rip on the groomed. I don't like them on the hardpack as much as racing skis.

Based on what I'm reading, you may want to go with the R10's.
post #16 of 21
Quote:
Originally posted by bjohansson:
There's more Atomic experts out there, but I'm pretty sure the R11's have titanium power channels while the R10's have carbon fiber.
I remember an Atomic rep telling me something in the construction was different but I forget what.

I know they both have titanium pulsers so I am not sure about the power channels.
post #17 of 21
From the script here Debner I suggest the R10's in 180. The Atomics are very stiff, but at your weight and height you should be able to work them with ease. I have R10's in 170, and I am five eleven 220+ lbs after a night at the Foothills Brew Pub. R10's turn on a dime and can carve nicely if you stroke them right. They have good rebound on groomed, and a beer gut works to your advantage. Mine are 2003's; the purple 2004's are an unknown quantity for me. I do suggest the R412 bindings or better.
post #18 of 21
Go with the R:10. Demo both the 170 and 180. You might be fine on the 170 though.

R:11 Titanium Power Channel
R:10 Carbon Power Channel
R:10W No Power Channel
All 3 have Titanium Beta Pulsers, have the same geometry per size
R:9 Carbon Power Channels, no Pulsers
post #19 of 21
Quote:
Originally posted by BetaRacer:
All 3 have Titanium Beta Pulsers, have the same geometry per size
Just curious, what do these Titanium Beta Pulsers do for you?
post #20 of 21
From my understanding they are an interal damping system, which is only to come in to effect as you speed up. It is suppose to allow the ski to be softer at slower speeds and stiffer at faster speeds - when necessary or needed.

Again the R10 would be your best ski, the R11 with the Ti beta channels and Ti pulse, make the ski very stiff. You want to ensure that you can work the ski in all conditions or you are setting your self up for trouble and or difficulty.
post #21 of 21
From the looks of it, I think you would be fine on either. Are your legs really strong? Both skiis are pretty stuff which is great for powering through crud. Both skis will ski you if you let them, so you do need to power them somewhat to drive them. You should definately demo if you can, most shops will apply the fee towards your purchase. Also, if you progress quickly I would go will the R:11's because they will last you longer (from an ability standpoint). If you progress moderately then maybe you should save yourself the $100 and go with the 10's. EIther way you can't go wrong.

Look for some demo days in your area.
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