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post #1 of 12
Thread Starter 
I bought a new pair of skis and bindings and had them mounted at the shop. Somehow they screwed up the mounting and the bindings ended up not in the middle of the skis...across the width of the ski. Both skis were also slightly different. They said they did use a jig and that won't happen. But it did, what does it take to do something like that? Does the guy that mounted them have to be incredibly dumb?
post #2 of 12
Probably more like the guy just doesn't care. You seem to run into that a lot, people that don't take any pride in what they do. And yes, the purpose of using a jig is to make sure the holes are drilled in the right spot, but if the jig isn't mounted right in the first place, or if the guy doesn't know what he's doing, than the jig isn't going to help. I've seen it happen more often than you might think, just as I've seen skis tuned so poorly or often ruined. The story is that a lot of these shops have a problem finding enough help in their busy season, so they end up taking what they can get and hoping for the best. I had a guy ruin a pair of K2 Fours I had by grinding the edge into the sidewall. The owner agreed to replace the skis, but in the process of mounting the new pair misplaced the jig, and put a hole through the peizoelectric device (the blinking light thing), thus ruining the ski. He didn't have any other pairs in stock, so he had to go back to K2 before I finally got a replacement pair. The majority of shops are not like that, most of the shops I frequent have the same guys there year after year, guys that are there because of their love for the sport and because they're into what their doing. It's too bad that a few indifferent people give everybody in the business a bad name. If your skis are mounted so badly that they are that noticeable, I'd ask the owner to make them right. Anybody can make a mistake. If he refuses, than you'll be better off to take your business somewhere else.
post #3 of 12
I've seen plenty of mis-mounts, though none quite like the one you describe. :

One of my all-time favorites was the couple that bought matching skis and bindings. When they came to pick up their new skis the shop tech that mounted them leaned both pair - four skis across - with the bases against the counter. The tech was clearly very proud of his work; that is, until someone pointed out that the toe pieces were mounted at equal heights. Ordinarily this might not be a problem, but the man's skis were 207's and the woman's skis were 185's. Oops.

Garick, I hope the shop made it right for you.

IG

edited to cover my tracks

[ November 18, 2003, 08:37 PM: Message edited by: Inspector Gadget ]
post #4 of 12
You've got a problem. The *only* time I've ever seen bindings intentionally mounted off the centerline of the ski is on some old ultra fat (ie, over 100 mm at the waist) skis like the HeliStar, PowderPlus, etc..

The reasoning was that because such skis were so wide, they would be difficult to get up on edge on a packed surface, so by mounting the bindings a bit towards the inside edges, it would make them a bit easier to handle on the groomers. I guess they hadn't given much thought to the increased effort required to edge the uphill ski in traverses, etc. Then again, those were the days of inyrnyionsl 80%-20% weight distributions.

I don't know if this sort of intentional asymmetrical mounting is still being done.

Tom / PM

[ November 18, 2003, 10:07 PM: Message edited by: PhysicsMan ]
post #5 of 12
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Originally posted by Garick:
I bought a new pair of skis and bindings and had them mounted at the shop. Somehow they screwed up the mounting and the bindings ended up not in the middle of the skis...across the width of the ski. Both skis were also slightly different. They said they did use a jig and that won't happen. But it did, what does it take to do something like that? Does the guy that mounted them have to be incredibly dumb?
Garick,

This is very bad from both a control and safety perspective. Talk to the shop owner or manager and have them mount those bindings on a different (new) pair of skis. The center of the bindings should be dead center on the skis. With a jig mounted correctly, it's not possible to offset the bindings, so it's virtually certain that the jig was mis-mounted and that means that any of a number of mistakes could have been made. You must have them remounted, and they can't go back onto the same skis.

Measure twice and cut once. The shop rat didn't do that.

ssh (former shop rat and former certified binding tech)
post #6 of 12
Garick: You have a problem with some incorrectly mounted ski bindings.

Have you gotteon the problem straightened out?

If not, go directly to the ski shop that screwed up and talk, not with the manager, but ownership, unless of course it is a large chain.

If something happened to you regarding any serious injury on the slope and you had incorrectly mounted ski bindings, the shop could be sued and done so successfully.

Most important, is to get the problem solved now . If drilling new holes in your skis will in your mind [ that's your mind and no one elses] compromise the integretiy of the ski, tell the owner to get you new skis. If he is at all uncooperative, then contact the local ski rep that represents that product, and get him on your side.

It is absolutely unacceptable to accept shoddy work, that could compromise your safety, and interfer with the following...

[ November 19, 2003, 04:03 AM: Message edited by: wink ]
post #7 of 12
Thread Starter 
Thanks for all the replies, they did agree to get me a new pair of skis. I talked to a few people at the shop, first was like the head tech guy or something, he got all defensive(I've been doin this 30 years type of thing) and didn't want to help and said it didn't matter, then I talked to some higher up guy and he agreed to get me a new pair. Except for the first guy everybody was pretty cool to deal with.
post #8 of 12
Quote:
Originally posted by Garick:
Thanks for all the replies, they did agree to get me a new pair of skis. I talked to a few people at the shop, first was like the head tech guy or something, he got all defensive(I've been doin this 30 years type of thing) and didn't want to help and said it didn't matter, then I talked to some higher up guy and he agreed to get me a new pair. Except for the first guy everybody was pretty cool to deal with.
Great!

Want to guess why the first guy wasn't happy? Someone has to pay for those skis...

But, one should not try to mount skis after one's first six-pack of the night has been consumed...

ssh
post #9 of 12
Garick, I'm just curious, I see you are from the area and ski at the Valley... which shop was it, and which tech do i have to stay away from? I ski at all hills in the area, and i know nearly every shop owner between Niagra Falls and Ellicottville... so, im curious which shop it was...
Later
GREG

ps, PM me if you don't want to share the info on the forum.
post #10 of 12
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Originally posted by HeluvaSkier:
Garick, I'm just curious, I see you are from the area and ski at the Valley... which shop was it, and which tech do i have to stay away from?
Interestingly, I'll bet this guy doesn't make that mistake again. Or, if he's done it before, I bet he doesn't work at that shop anymore, anyway... But, someone else might hire him...!

ssh
post #11 of 12
Thread Starter 
It was cupolo's in niagara falls, don't know who the tech was but a younger guy. Normally I'd go to one of the shops in ellicottville but they gave me a great deal on the skis.
post #12 of 12
garick - in reference to your last comment "they gave me a great deal"... as a ski instructor, I get to buy equipment at a pro price and I always take my skis and bindings from whatever shop the pro night event was held at and head straight to the guy I trust in the shop that I frequent.

It's COMPLETELY OK to buy stuff in one place and have it worked on in another!!! You are the consumer and paying for everything. And, even if they INCLUDE mounting - you can still take it to your place and spend the $35 to get it done by someone you REALLY trust.

kiersten
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