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What ski for a lightweight teenager?

post #1 of 20
Thread Starter 
Somehow it seems hard to find much advice on ski sizing for kids. I'm trying to decide what to get for my 14 yr. old son. He's a bit small for his age ~ 95 lbs.

He's very athletic and a good skier. Although he's never raced, he skis anything, cutes, steeps, glades, bumps pretty aggressively. He carves his turns very well, and skis fast, but prefers short turns.

The past 2 years he was on a 150 cm. Rossi 9X junior race ski, which didn't have much shape to it. It worked pretty well, but it's getting beat, and he wants something new with more sidecut. I was thinking that for his weight, 150-155cm with more shape would be best, and was considering something like a 152cm Omecarve 9, or a 150cm Atomic SX:7. However these are short adult skis, and I'm wondering if they'll be too stiff.

One ski shop recommended sticking with a junior race ski such as a Fischer WC SC Junior Slalom in a 153, claiming he might not be able to flex an adult ski yet. I was also looking at a Head Worldcup SL Team CP 11 Jr. 151cm. Naturally, I'm not looking to spend top $$!

Any advice on whether a 95 lb. kid can bend a decent adult ski (one that's not targeted at beginners/skidders)? : He'll be skiing mostly East Coast with this ski, so no need for much float.

Thanks.
post #2 of 20
I like your shops advice and I think you should go with a Jr. race ski. My youngest son is around your sons size and he going to ski a Dynastar Jr race ski this winter. IMO when they're between about 80-120 pounds, the decision gets tricky. Your son could probably handle a soft adult ski, but a stiffer adult ski would be too much for him. I think a Omecarve 9 is WAY beyond his ability to flex. The Omecarve 9 is plenty stiff for an average size adult. A softer adult twin tip may also be a good option for him.
post #3 of 20
Thread Starter 
Thanks Coach, I think you're right. But I'm not sure what you mean by the SC 9. Did you mean the SX:7?

Is anybody familiar with the Fischer WC SC Junior Slalom, or the Head Worldcup SL Team CP 11 Jr.?
post #4 of 20
[quote=carvemeister]But I'm not sure what you mean by the SC 9. Did you mean the SX:7?
QUOTE]

Sorry I was thinking one Dynastar ski, the Omecarve 9, and was typing another which was the Ski Cross 9. I'll edit my original post so that it makes more sense.
post #5 of 20
I would keep him in a Jr. for now. But after he gets a little bigger you may consider a womens ski, just don't tell him.
post #6 of 20
I was advised to avoid all JR skis with plates until the child is well over 100 pounds. I would consider the unplated Dynastar Omecarve 10 JR.
post #7 of 20
Yes, stay with the Jr skis.
post #8 of 20
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigE
I was advised to avoid all JR skis with plates until the child is well over 100 pounds.
I can see how that might be true on some skis. But I've seen some pretty short Junior skis with plates (or maybe we'll just call them lifters), that I can't imagine do much to stiffen the ski. Even so, I would imagine that a junior race ski with a plate would still be easier to handle than even an intermediate type adult ski.

I am hoping I don't have to rule out those with plates, because some of the junior skis which have "race" etc. on them look like real junk. I want to at least get a high performance Junior ski.
post #9 of 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by carvemeister
I can see how that might be true on some skis. But I've seen some pretty short Junior skis with plates (or maybe we'll just call them lifters), that I can't imagine do much to stiffen the ski. Even so, I would imagine that a junior race ski with a plate would still be easier to handle than even an intermediate type adult ski.

I am hoping I don't have to rule out those with plates, because some of the junior skis which have "race" etc. on them look like real junk. I want to at least get a high performance Junior ski.
The plate may not be the only thing that changes from the non-plated version -- I can't say for sure, maybe someone else can chime in here.
post #10 of 20
CM,

Your son's skiing sounds pretty much like my daughter's who is on 1080s.
Just in case he is also skiing off-piste consider this year's 1080s. I flexed them yesterday - they are a lot stiffer than last or previous years' which make them a very versatile tool on- and off-piste now. It made me even wish I could trade my old ones in exchange for the new.
Just my 0.02.
post #11 of 20
Thread Starter 
PowHog, what size ski is your daughter using, and how much does she weigh?

The 1080 is probably a bit wide for a kid who skis mostly Eastern conditions, but I would also think that since it's more of an adult ski, that the older, less stiff model would be better - unless it's going to be for you. :
post #12 of 20
150-155cm skis seem a bit long for a 95lb. kid. I am 5'11" and 140lbs and I was even considering buying a 155cm ski (I went with a 160cm Atomic SL9 instead).
post #13 of 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by carvemeister
...the older, less stiff model would be better - unless it's going to be for you. :
Hey, you minda you bizness. I resemble that remark. Whya you think my kid wound up with short Explosivs, heh?



Tom / PM
post #14 of 20
Thread Starter 
Very funny Tom!
post #15 of 20
My daughter (106 lbs - 14 yrs) was on some 145cm 1080 jr last season. Get your son some twintips and let him play. They are so much more fun.

She will be moving up to 151cm adult 1080's this year. She probably could have stayed on the 1080jr skis but we got a deal on the adult ones so....
post #16 of 20
My son (16y.o., 100lbs, 5'6", good skier on all terrain, but not at all muscular) is on Volant vertex 71's (marketed as a womens or light mens ski; he is on the 155cm). He was looking for a midfat that was soft and also tried the Bandits, which he did not like nearly as much. When we got them I thought that something fatter was probably more than he would want or need, although PM's comments on the matter and his daughter's experience with the explosivs (posted in the past) have given me some second thoughts. I am curious, however, PM, how that jives with your calculations on float, waist width, and weight. It seem to be contradictory, as your chart suggests that 71mm of waist for a skier of only 100 lbs is worth at least an additional 10cm of waist. If that is the case, what is the advantage of the fatties, and what is it htat she likes about them?

My son really likes the volants, and you can find last year's model really cheap now.
post #17 of 20
dp - Good question.

Over a couple of days, we had about 26-30" of snow, my daughter got on our pair of 165 Explosivs, and within a few turns, had completely adapted to them and was handling them just fine. The strange thing is that they provided so much float for her weight that she looked just like she was skiing on a groomer.

Interestingly enough, after a few hours, she wanted to get back on her usual skis (Enemy Jrs) and did equally fine on them in the soft stuff.

Basically, I think that what happened was that the Explosivs provided way more float than she needed (so there was no real benefit on that acct), but their weight finally got to her so she wanted to go back to her lighter Enemies (which themselves provided more than adequate float for her).

She has tried the short (165) Explosivs a couple of times since, but they have provided her with no extra benefit, so she hasn't been using them. Of course, Dad has.

When I told this story the first time, I seem to recall that the point I was trying to make was that a decent skier can adapt to a very wide range of skis. In this case, one would never expect to see a 10 y.o. (or whatever she was at the time) handling Explosivs with ease. I most certainly wasn't recommending Explosivs to all (or even any other) 10 y.o.. I hope that my old post didn't come across otherwise.

Tom / PM
post #18 of 20
Quote:
Originally Posted by carvemeister
PowHog, what size ski is your daughter using, and how much does she weigh?

The 1080 is probably a bit wide for a kid who skis mostly Eastern conditions, but I would also think that since it's more of an adult ski, that the older, less stiff model would be better - unless it's going to be for you. :
CM,

No I'm not that cool.

And no, the ski is neither too wide nor is it a mere adult's ski. My daughter is 5'3'', 110lb and skis on 03/04 1080s in a 161 length. She rips on that thing on- and off-piste, no matter which conditions. Go with the stiffer 04/05 model for better ice grip on your eastern slopes - your kid will just be thankful to you for the rest of his life.
post #19 of 20
Thread Starter 

JoJo? MoJo? HoJo?

Quote:
Originally Posted by wizard
My daughter (106 lbs - 14 yrs) was on some 145cm 1080 jr last season. Get your son some twintips and let him play. They are so much more fun.

She will be moving up to 151cm adult 1080's this year. She probably could have stayed on the 1080jr skis but we got a deal on the adult ones so....
Now you have got me thinking. What about The Head MadTrix JoJo Jr. which is a 154cm twin tip? It's the junior version of the Mojo and is 107-72-102.

Sounds like it might be a fun ski similar to the 1080. My only concern would be performance on ice.

Anybody familiar with the JoJo's?
post #20 of 20
The Jojo's would be an excellant choice. I would not be concerned about grip on ice. I found that with my kids that was never a problem no matter which ski they were on. I think it has to do with their light weight. I'm not sure how the flex on the Jojo's are compared with the 1080 jr, but I imagine they would be very similar. You can usually find all sorts of deals on jr gear. Another twin to consider is the Rossi Scratch jr and Scratch Pro teen. My kids won't ski anything else but a twin anymore.

Race skis are great on the groomed, but their no good in the park or off piste. A fat twin is way more versatile.
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