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post #31 of 37

nice shot

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Originally Posted by Ott Gangl
John, here is a shot of Ann and me on top of palmer lift on a July 4th weekend and as you can see we considered it a blue run, there are no steeps to be found. Now if you hike up above the lift for an hour you can really get into some rough stuff, but this shot is ten years old and I was only 62 and could do such things.
You age well! I love it when the clouds settle in the valley like that. In my trips the last 2 years to Hood, that only happened one day. It was also the day I didn't bring my camera up. The rest of the week I brought my camera up and it never did it again. Also, I can't tell in your picture, but we could see clearly jefferson, sisters, and 2 other peaks off into the distance. It was never that clear again.

Back to thread subject. Yes - it does look like it's the turn style alone making most of the difference.
post #32 of 37
I was the one videoing Diana in the Mpeg you are all looking at. This was the last run of the day and the snow was mush. We were just playing around though I think a principle that a lot of people don't use enough is to pick a slope that is quite comfortable and try to go to 130% of what you are capable of in angles and upper C carve. If you want to get 100% of your ideal on something steeper, you better be able to go 130% on the easy stuff. I see lots of people waste easy terrain and just cruise it when they could be pushing their limits in a way that will help them get the skills they need for harder stuff. That is one thing that I have really learned from Harald and Diana. They are always pushing it on some technical issue whenever and what ever the terrain.

In the conditions in the video it was really hard not to just dig in. It really made you do the motions in the feet first and let that determine the balance to be able to not eat it.

Just before the run I had just asked Diana about what she was working on in her skiing. She had sain that she was working on being able to pressure her free foot back and close her ankles with pushing her heel back and down. Part of this was getting used to new boots. She had just switched to the Head RDs in the spring and she said that they were capable of so much more than any other boots she had been in, so she had been playing around pushing their limits a bit.

I'll be posting some more video of Harald that is similar (sking behind and next to Harald last winter as well as more Harb Carver footage on steeper terrain. I'm heading up to Timberline for a weekend of sun, skiing and demoing some Harb Carvers to a Camp.
post #33 of 37
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Originally Posted by SkierSynergy
I think a principle that a lot of people don't use enough is to pick a slope that is quite comfortable and try to go to 130% of what you are capable of in angles and upper C carve. If you want to get 100% of your ideal on something steeper, you better be able to go 130% on the easy stuff. I see lots of people waste easy terrain and just cruise it when they could be pushing their limits in a way that will help them get the skills they need for harder stuff.
Interesting approach. I will definitely try that this season.

BTW, welcome to EpicSki.
post #34 of 37
Sweet turns nolo
Most of that video on Hood isn't very usable. Doesn't the camera have a zoom? I seriously doubt that those are US Junior Team skiers. Do you have any names?
Yes, Diana starts each turn with tips divirging. Why? She's in the backseat(As Harald appears to be at the start of his turns. It looks like he may be divirging too)
How do I know? The new outside ski tracks out away from her until her leg extends and the shovel engages. Meanwhile she's holding herself up with her inside ski and pointing it where she's trying to go.
Watch nolo's turns. She glides onto her uphill ski as the leg starts to extend. Her CM is going straight as the ski continues to carve into the hill(CM is crossing). As this happens the ski is rolling over and her leg extends more bringing her hip forward. Notice how her foot appears to go back in relation to her hip as the transfer progresses. Conversely, notice how Diana keeps her leg bent until her ski runs out away from her. Notice how she's carving on the tail initially. The turn needs to be initiated on the tip of the ski for a clean "turn in"(sorry about the race car talk) That's what inside leg extension does, it brings the hip forward so the turn can be started on the front of the ski. It starts as a rising motion and turns into a lateral move down the hill. (Horst Abrahms wrote, in about 1980, "At the highest levels the extension becomes mostly lateral")
Fastman was talking about a modern, high level move that he observed in some of the most skilled racers. The "wall exercise" he describes is a pretty good description of it. At the time I wasn't sure we were talking about the same thing. After I saw that I was sure we were on the same page.
As far as trying to relate it to PMTS, I don't think you can. From what I've seen(and heard) Harald doesn't advocate a lot of extesion(read up and down). He and his disciples, including the ones around Tyrol, all seem to ski kind of "hunkered down". I've played with some of their stuff and find it a limited movement pool. It doesn't allow for the kind of athleticism demonstrated by nolo in her clip.
post #35 of 37
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Originally Posted by SLATZ
Most of that video on Hood isn't very usable. Doesn't the camera have a zoom?
I took the pictures and movies on the site using whatever I had in my pocket at the time. They were originally posted so that members of the camp could easily get copies of them. However, if any are useable for discusion of course go to it. The camera that I used to film Diana does have a zoom. I had to follow her tracks with the camera in one hand while I watched her through the LCD. Zooming while doing this is a bit difficult so I mostly avoid doing it. Some of the other movies were shot with a Casio Exslim (credit card sized still with MPG, but no zoom). They are hard to see for any analysis, but the campers appreciated geting any shots of their experience they could.

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Originally Posted by SLATZ
I seriously doubt that those are US Junior Team skiers. Do you have any names?
What's that all about!? What's the point of this comment?

When I shot the movies and pics, team members were at Mt. Hood working with Crawford Pierce (RM division) and included US National World Junior Team members such as Drew Roberts. I had e-mailed Crawford earlier this fall so that I could post names below each pic and movie, but . . . just not a priority. I only met them because I spent a few days Harb Carving with them. I spend Summers skiing on Hood and sell Harb Carvers in the area. As many teams, camps, and academies, the junior team uses Harb carvers. Harald worked with them quite a bit this summer using Harb Carvers because some things are more easily addressed on Carvers than on snow.

Since it sounds like you know and ski with junior team members and coaches quite a bit, just jump over to some of the other pages on my site and you will see other pics and videos where it's easier to recognize individuals.
post #36 of 37
My apology SkierSynergy.
It appears that Big E posted your sight to show Dianna's run, not the others.
The skiing in the other videos didn't appear to be at the Jr Team level but I was wrong. Crawford Pierce,(Rocky/Central Development Coach) I was informed, had Drew, Andrew Wagner and another RMD kid out at that time. In the past our Central Competition co-ordinator would keep Central coaches informed of which projects were in progress and which Central athletes were attending. Appearantly communication is not Crawford's forte(as you appearantly found out)
Again, my apologies and thanks for your efforts.
post #37 of 37
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Denise Karbon




Fastman mentions her in the first post of this thread.
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