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post #1 of 27
Thread Starter 
Well it must be autumn again, there are lots of first time posters and new members asking everyone to tell them what skis to buy. I have seen quite a few over the last couple of weeks and all the regualrs seem to be getting bored with replying to these questions. Before asking these questions would you please try out the search function, there are a LOT of skis which have already been discussed at length here and nobody likes repeating themselves.

If you dont know where to start try searching under "beginner" or other words which might describe your skiing or (dare I say it) buy one of the 'gear guide' issues of a skiing magazine to at least get a short list of skis you might be interested in. At the end of the day though the best bet is to demo skis at every opportunity, every time you see those tents set up grab a set of skis and try them out. They don't have to be the right length or right style, if you don't like them then don't buy them, but the process of trying out heaps of skis will give you a good idea of what you like in a ski and it may even throw up a few surprises.

Please don't be afraid to ask questions, but you are much more likely to get a useful response if you show you have done your homework first.

Cheers
post #2 of 27
Well said.

Thou must demo!
post #3 of 27
Demo,demo,demo if thou hast a place to. If not, ask,ask,ask those who do.
post #4 of 27
Personally, as a relatively new visitor to this site, I find Kiwiski's comments to be a little arrogant. How would a new user have any idea how to find information on this site. I, for one have tried searches for many things but been unable to find what I was looking for. The search indexes on this site are not very sophisticated. I can't even locate the threads where I posted questions a few weeks ago to see if anyone has answered my questions.

I understand that the elite crowd that spends time in this forum probably gets a little tired of seeing the same questions over and over again. Unfortunately, unless you want to create a closed, (and probably very boring), forum each new visitor will have to feel his way around for a little while until they figure out how to use the forum.

Just my 2 cents.
post #5 of 27
Two points... first of all the search returns only thread titles so if the titles aren't descriptive there is a lot of sifting thorugh threads that might not be applicable ot the user. Secondly, check out http://www.skipressworld.com/us/en/m...2004/0914.html
for free ski reviews. COmpared to many other boards, the users here are rather patient in my opinion.
post #6 of 27
I understand your point dsafety. Usually when I respond to a new poster, I'll include a link to a search that I've done for them. This gives them an idea of what's out there in archive. If I was to give standard advice to a new member asking "which ski" questions, it would be to disclose more info about themselves (ie. where they ski, their ability, their size, their gender, etc..) to allow for an educated answer from the members here. Just my $.02.:
post #7 of 27
By dasaftey: "Personally, as a relatively new visitor to this site, I find Kiwiski's comments to be a little arrogant. How would a new user have any idea how to find information on this site...Unfortunately, unless you want to create a closed, (and probably very boring), forum each new visitor will have to feel his way around for a little while until they figure out how to use the forum."

I Don’t think the comments were meant to be arrogant. I agree with you that for those who are new to Epic Ski the search feature doesn't jump out at you. It was less conspicuous before the recently redesigned format.

The search feature is not hard to use and works pretty well once you play with it a while. I participated in Epic Ski for some time before I even realized there was a search feature.

As to "what ski to buy", Kiwiski's suggestion to try out the search function, because a lot of skis have been reviewed and discussed is a good point of departure in your quest for information.

You should know also that there is some strong partisanship on the part of some folks here with respect to various brands. So some comments need to be taken with a grain of salt. You will figure that out as you go along.

Welcome to Epic Ski.
post #8 of 27
dsafety, if you find kiwiski's admonitions arrogant, you're not gonna like reading my posts. I suggest you decide RIGHT NOW whether you wish to abide by our various personalities and posting styles. I can assure you that I'm not gonna get all soft and cuddly for your sorry arse. If that's what you are looking for, try Paula's Ski Lovers, where every post is greeted with a cyberhug and cyberkiss and a "love ya!" straight outta the 70s "I'm OK You're OK" idiocy.
post #9 of 27
Wow, Gonzo, that was actually quite polite for you, where's Xd?

In looking at reviews, Ski press is very good as well as www.realskier.com. (paid subscription version) I would basically ignore the rags-Ski and Skiing. Worthless content wise, good for entertainment only. Oh, don't forget to demo and don't post about whether or not to wear a helmet!
post #10 of 27
I was restrained mainly because dsafety didn't come in asking why we don't have threads rating the gourmet cuisine, valet parking and fur storage facilities at the various "resorts"
post #11 of 27
this is a Forum. No one is forcing anyone to read any thread.
post #12 of 27
dsafety..."elite"..."closed"....? Jeez, was the initiation
too kinky?
Perhaps the key phrase from Kiwiski was "if you show you have done your homework first."
It was couched as "Advice".
post #13 of 27
ski reviews in magazines are not terribly helpful (espescially this years) as for skipressworld... they write generic reviews complimenting every ski reviewed, so you never get a sense of the skis downsides (not to mention all the skis score in the same range). after people see the worthlessness of these reviews of course they turn to a ski forum where the members know their shit. dont be too hard on *n00bs* (like me..) we dont know any better. kiwiski or any other seasoned vet -- maybe a permament post at the top of each forum (ie - "All New Users Read This") explaining the search function and some helpful advice would help cut down on the number of repeat discussions. maybe you all could write to the admin and see the possibility of that? just a suggestion, no hostility intended.

ski hard, and love thy ski brethren.
post #14 of 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by gonzostrike
I was restrained mainly because dsafety didn't come in asking why we don't have threads rating the gourmet cuisine, valet parking and fur storage facilities at the various "resorts"

I see. Good idea on the cuisine! How About cigar stores? Or best wine cellars I do appreciate a good meal after a day on the slopes. Fur is best left on the animal.
post #15 of 27
Do contact Msr. Gonzostrike if you would like to know
bedsheet threadcounts in the finest slopeside
full service hotels across the land.
post #16 of 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by John J
Do contact Msr. Gonzostrike if you would like to know
bedsheet threadcounts in the finest slopeside
full service hotels across the land.
He can also give you detailed directions as to where to "go stick it". In fact, I think I hear one of those posts brewing as we speak...
post #17 of 27
Coach13

Couldn't leave the pot alone...had to stir it, eh?
post #18 of 27
Come on' Gonzo's a good guy. I'm sure he viewed and had good laugh.
post #19 of 27
Gonzostrike,



I’m a relative newbie to this forum but through the use of the forum’s search function, I found that you’re an expert on bedsheet threadcounts.



So, my question to you is:

Based on bedsheet threadcounts, which ski resorts in Montana would you recommend?



Thanks for your valuable response…
post #20 of 27
Cool, we're "elite"!
post #21 of 27
Thread Starter 
Wow, this thread has taken an intersting turn.

My initial post was just meant as friendly advice as I have seen a few questions asked lately which I think are unlikely to get the sort of response they may have been hoping for. I understand the ski buying process can be daunting for those who don't know much about the gear, but simply giving your details and asking what skis you should buy, will either get a couple of responses with people talking about their experiences with a particular ski, which may or may not apply to you, or you will get 10 responses recommending 10 different skis which probably won't help you much either.

I think skis depend so much on personal preference that without demoing and comparing several skis, it is difficult to even know what questions to ask. Even people who have the same build, ability and ski the same terrain may have very different preferences when it comes to skis. Magazines and forums like this can help you develop a short list of skis to demo, and after demoing this sort of place is good if you liked a particular ski but want recommendations on something with a bit more dampening/forgiveness/versatility etc. But there is no single best ski for a person of a particular build and ability, which is what some people asking questions here seem to be hoping for.
post #22 of 27
if you want to count threads, there are lots of them, and it's quite enjoyable if your mind is small enough. now with that said, I have no idea how many threads there are in a sheet, let alone a "de luxe" sheet, let alone a "luxurious" sheet of the finest egyptian cotton.

I believe you may find the answer to your epicurian questions at http://www.skilovers.com

and I suggest that you will find yourself more at home there than here
post #23 of 27
Yes, we should do, and do are homework, but what's wrong with getting a 2nd opinion?

The magazine reviews are not all that informative.

The reviews and opinions of people who have skied the skist hat may be of interest to me can be very informative. Especially if they tell me what they liked and didn't like about each ski, and compare it to some other ski. We can have an interactive discussion with the poster of a reply to our querry? Try that with a ski magazine.
post #24 of 27
[quote=gonzostrike]if you want to count threads, there are lots of them, and it's quite enjoyable if your mind is small enough. now with that said, I have no idea how many threads there are in a sheet, let alone a "de luxe" sheet, let alone a "luxurious" sheet of the finest egyptian cotton.

Hmm, Gonzo, I am impressed with your keen knowledge of the different kinds and grades of cotton. Well done my friend! Beers and Buffalo steaks on me at the Coral! (med -rare)
post #25 of 27
I just came back to this thread after a week or so and was surprised that my comments had started such a heated discussion. First of all, my apologies to Kiwiski. I know that your comments were only intended to be helpful. As a newbie, all I am looking for is quality information. I am sure that what I want to learn is here in this forum, but as someone else said, it takes a while to figure out how to find that information. I just discovered the advanced search function and find that it is a very useful way to locate threads and topics.

If I may be allowed another comment, I would like to discuss the relative merits of ski ratings offered by most trade magazines. As another contributor correctly pointed out these ratings and review are generic at best and biased to not offend advertisers in most cases. I find them useless most of the time.

I turned to this forum for some real world advise and after spending some time sifting through the chatter that some people choose to post, I have found that there are some real experts who regularly contribute their opinions here. To all of you who fall into that category... Thanks for the help.

I would also like to comment on something else that Kiwiski posted in this thread which it completly agree with. In my younger days I ran a high end ski shop. It was a city shop but we had a staff full of people who had learned their trade in mountain shops. I was one of them. I spent a few years in Utah working for the top shop in the area. One of the great things this shop did was to encourge its staff to try the demos and learn how everything we offered to our customers skied.

One season I kept track of how many different skis I tried. With the shop demos and the experimental skis the reps would bring by, I road over 160 different skis that year. Some were great. Others sucked. Some were obviously right for the average flatlander while others were clearly designed for the top mountain hot shots.

The benefit of trying all these different skis was two fold. First, I was in a much better position to advise my customers as to which skis they would enjoy most. That resulted in a lot of business for my shop and virtually no returns. Secondly, I really learned what I liked best is a ski's performance which helped me to enjoy my sport all the better.

Now that I have been out of the ski business for a number of years and only get to ski a few times most years, I feel disconnected. I have turned to the experts in this forum for advise. Please don't shun me because I am new to the forum and have not quite figured out how to use all its resources. I, (and the rest of the newbies), will learn the ropes soon enough and might even be able to contribute some useful information from time to time. Please be patient with us.
post #26 of 27
Try here- It should be related to Ron's link but I'm not clear how- http://www.techsupportforskiers.com anyway, it's got great in depth reviews and it's worth the $20 or so a year. It's the online replacement of the old Inside Tracks newsletter, though that'll really never be replaced. Also. Kiwi, thanks for last summer's great review of the new Dynastar legend 8000's- it's on my short list for an everyday Alta ski.
post #27 of 27
Here it is- Ron forgot the "s"- www.realskiers.com either way gets you there.
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