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Thread Starter 
I'm looking for skis that will perform with lightning speed in bumps ( spelling corrected 31 Oct. 2004), but won't mind doing a hard Long radius turn at high speed.
What should I demonstrate?
The current top runner is the 9S oversize.

I weigh 170 lbs, 5' 8 1/2", size 10 US feet.

I currently ski on eastern groomed runs (like Owl's Head, Jay Peak, Calabogie Peaks, Tremblant).

I tried Salomon 9X and 9S Oversize last season in whatever the longest length they had in stock was. It was my first experience with parabolic skis. The 9S was nice and quick for bumps, and they worked well in the short turns, but occasionally "forgave" instead of bit in at higher speeds. The 9X were not as good in the quick stuff, and didn't give enough improvement higher speed longer radius turns to make the switch worth it IMO.

I'm comming from a background of skiing long skis at high speeds, but over the years have gotten bored with what's available out east, so in a search for challenge I've taken to speeding through the moguls. My knees can't take too much punishment, so I'm not into bashing moguls like competitive mogule skiers with the stripes around their knees, I just want to speed through them, going around instead of over the worse as it were. I'm not into park skiing or trick skiing either; I can't stand being upside down (though I sometimes spin around and ski backwards at times to watch my wife or daughter following me).

Edit: typo (honest) I'm 5' 8.5" tall.
P.S. The last couple of times I took my 208 Kastle Super G skis mogul dodging, my knee was sore at the end of the day due to an old karate injury.
post #2 of 23
Thread Starter 
Bump. C'mon guys and gals, you must have some suggestions to demo.
post #3 of 23

Ski choices

Ghost, I'm new to this forum but here goes, I'm 6' 205lbs, Last year I was skiing on the new Elan M12 168 cm with the intergrated binding and I found then to be fantastic at anything I wanted to do ,long fast sweepers, short round turns, sloppy skidded turns or pure carved turns, one thing that I found that was pretty good was the fact that with the intergrated binding I really didn't feel a "dead" spot in the skiis on a pure carved turn, they really felt in perfect contact with the snow thru out the whole turn. Another thing I found last year was that at a PSIA trees and steeps clinic at MRG I had broken 2 pairs of other older skiis and was on my 3rd pair which was a Rossi 9x 2000-01 ski 170 cm and they felt so stiff in the bumps, I was getting bounced around so that I could not really feel the snow it just felt horrible although those skiis are very good on hard groomed snow, well I was just miserable so I decided I'll bring out the new Elans and hopefully nothing will happen to them , they felt great in the bumps from the 1st turn, I could now feel the snow again, so from my experience the Elan M12 did everthing I wanted from a ski, I have noticed that Elan is not making the M12 this year only the S12, I'm not sure if the M666 is the same as the M12. I have been on a bunch of other skis, also picked up some LINE Darksides 165cm and they felt pretty good all around although I think at speed they are a bit to short and a little soft in the flex for hardpack fast skiing, Good Luck,
post #4 of 23
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Originally Posted by Ghost
I'm looking for skis that will perform with lightning speed in bumbs,

Im not sure what kind of "ski" your looking for.... but I dont think your going to find many answers here.
post #5 of 23
what the FORK is a "bumb"?

I keep seeing that word. please explain.

is it related in any way to a bump?

as to your silly question,

the skier makes the ski "lightning quick" in the moguls/bumps. I don't know how to do anything in a "bumb" because I don't know what the FORK a "bumb" is.

eedjits with poor spelling and silly irrational thoughts should stay out of here. you are nothing more than bandwidth pollution.
post #6 of 23
Ghost

As has been said many times in other threads,There are mogul ski's and there are ski's for cruising and long arc's. Two different purposes ,two different skis.
I believe you will get better answers dealing with each on their own merits.
As for the spelling thing . I read your thread just fine
Marc
post #7 of 23
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by gonzostrike
what the FORK is a "bumb"?

the skier makes the ski "lightning quick" in the moguls/bumps. I don't know how to do anything in a "bumb" because I don't know what the FORK a "bumb" is.
Actually, the width under foot and the weight of the ski also have something to do with it. I found the 9S Oversize recreational slalom ski a lot quicker in the bumps than my Kastle super g racing skis. There may be other factors involved too.
post #8 of 23
Looks to me that something from Cross category should considered.
I’d definitely try Atomic SX:10, 170cm
post #9 of 23
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by NC Marc
Ghost

As has been said many times in other threads,There are mogul ski's and there are ski's for cruising and long arc's. Two different purposes ,two different skis.
I believe you will get better answers dealing with each on their own merits.
As for the spelling thing . I read your thread just fine
Marc
I came to the same conclusion some 20 years ago, but this year all the ski magazines are telling me that there are "all-mountain" skis that are supposed to be good at everything, and the stores are telling me that their short skis are good for high speeds. It is possible that things may have changed for the better.

I'm keeping an open mind, but I will demo first. The question is what to demo; what ski out of all the excellent short-radius light and quick skis will have the best performance at high-speed cruizing.
post #10 of 23
Thread Starter 
Sincere thanks to all who have replied with serious answers.
post #11 of 23
Ghost, last spring I tried the Fischer Big Stix 7.6. Very light ski, lively, and it had great holding power even for me. 6'4" 250#. Since they are distributed from NH, you should be able to find a pair to demo. BP
post #12 of 23
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Originally Posted by Ghost
Sincere thanks to all who have replied with serious answers.

I would also suggest a Atomic Cross since you do so much cross posting. It confused me a bit since you posted the question in just one forum.
post #13 of 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by gonzostrike
what the FORK is a "bumb"?

I keep seeing that word. please explain.

is it related in any way to a bump?

as to your silly question,

the skier makes the ski "lightning quick" in the moguls/bumps. I don't know how to do anything in a "bumb" because I don't know what the FORK a "bumb" is.

eedjits with poor spelling and silly irrational thoughts should stay out of here. you are nothing more than bandwidth pollution.
Gonz:

(a) What are you drinking?

(b) Send some over here. I find the affect humorous, and I like humorous.

(c) Nevertheless, the guy is entitled to some serious replies.
post #14 of 23
my patience with the illiterate is near-legendary, Br'er Oboe. ask any attorney I've ever worked with/for.

but as to the drink,

it's raht heah and should be available in your corner of VT, just go to some hippie health food store.
post #15 of 23
It just so happens that my former law partner gave me a gourd and that silver straw thingy (upper left on that web page) upon his return from them thar parts of SA, so I have the container - now for the drink, and if it's potent, I'll be careful not to bumb into anything that could caws ill literacy or in patients.
post #16 of 23
your former partner was prescient, eh?

BTW, I've also seen "bumb" as the spelling for the one particularly obvious synonym for "hobo"

listen, Mencken isn't alive to keep up with these shenanigans, and Paul Fussell is pretty well retired, so I gotta pick up the slack :
post #17 of 23
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Originally Posted by gonzostrike
your former partner was prescient, eh?

BTW, I've also seen "bumb" as the spelling for the one particularly obvious synonym for "hobo"

listen, Mencken isn't alive to keep up with these shenanigans, and Paul Fussell is pretty well retired, so I gotta pick up the slack :
Can you imagine Mencken if he were alive today? "No one ever lost an election by underestimating the intelligence of the American public."

Ha!

Now, let's allow the thread to return to its original mission.
post #18 of 23
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Originally Posted by gonzostrike

eedjits with poor spelling and silly irrational thoughts should stay out of here. you are nothing more than bandwidth pollution.
Excuse me,
Who do you think you are?!
post #19 of 23
Ghost,

I liked the Rossi 9S, but liked Head iXRC A LOT more. You also might try the Head iSL Chip, iC180 or iC160 if you can find any of these.
post #20 of 23
Ghost: There is no rational way to make a comparison from 9S to "my Kastle 208 racing GS ski's" in the bumps. Those are two entirely different animals.

In another thread Phil P makes the statement that there are really no bad ski's out there today---just some better suited to a particular task than others. I'd agree with that assessment. I have not demoed anything that was truly bad.

Not my preference---certainly, but truly bad---not in years.

"All mountain" is not necessarily "best" at skiing the entire mountain. It is a category, thats all. Demo one and you'll have a feel for what the others in the category will offer, what the strengths and weakness's are.

Construction is important, reading and searching out threads with similar questions is important.

Demo'ing is the best way.

BTW: ya shoulda been here when Gonz was really ornery!:
post #21 of 23
Thread Starter 
Thanks.

Skier J,
Bumb was a typo; I know how to spell bump.

As for skis, I know the 9S and the super g are totally different. You can see why I'm looking for a bump ski now that I'm here in the land of small hills, and easy runs.
I'm making a short list to demo. The 9S oversize, was great in the bumps, much better than the 9X Oversize. The 9X Oversize didn't do bumps well enough for me to buy it, but I think I might be able to find something close to the 9S in terms of performance in bumps, but with more high-speed carving ability, even though it probably wont work at super-g race speeds. I've heard that the Fischer RX8 might be the tickit, and ski mag says VR27, 6* and 5*s are also on the list. I will have to look into Head.
post #22 of 23
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Originally Posted by Jacek
Excuse me,
Who do you think you are?!
pi$$ off out of it ye twit. ye don't know.
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post #23 of 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jacek
Excuse me,
Who do you think you are?!
It's Gonzo...hang out more often and you'll start to see the humor in it...the rest of us have! I find his replies rather entertaining...
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