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Warmer Lange Boots?

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I openned my complimentary issue of Skiing magazine and in their "Gear" section they are lauding a new Lange boot that was introduced so late this year that they "didn't have time to test it."

Supposedly it is a moldable liner (like the Head boots) that everyone seems to love AND it has a new material in the fill that is super warm. Nylon filaments or something of the like to make it warmer.

I have 200 plus days in on my present boots. And because it is near Xmas and because I have perpetually cold feet (many people on this forum refuse to believe that cold feet are caused by anything except poor boot fit), I was excited. So I went on Lange's website (which is actually Dynastar's website) and the boot on the website as the 120 doesn't look anything like the 120 in the Skiing article.

So I e-mail Lange/Dynastar. They tell me the Skiing magazine article got it wrong and it is really the 130. Fair enough. So I call my favorite ski shops and start asking about these new Lange boots that Skiing says are "in the stores now" and no one has ever heard of a new liner for them. They say that the Freeride 120's AND 130's have both been available as they are today for a couple seasons.

Does anyone know of these new warmer liners? Do they exist? Do I have the wrong model number of boot? I called some shops in Whistler that fit boots for the Canadian Ski Team and they were unaware of a Lange (or any) boot with a new warmer lined that was moldable. In fact they said, "if anyone had a warmer liner they would drive everyone else out of business". I suppose that was Lange's idea. HELP!

[ December 22, 2003, 07:23 AM: Message edited by: worldfishnski ]
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[ December 23, 2003, 10:20 AM: Message edited by: worldfishnski ]
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Nada?
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Originally posted by worldfishnski:
Nada?
Nada hombre , absolutamente nada !
post #5 of 20
I see by your membership number you have been around here for a while.

You say that you don't agree that good fitting boots are warm. I know everybody is different. I have had my boots custom fit by my boot fitter. It has to be real cold for me to have cold feet. I'm talking below zero.

If you have read some of the threads here most of us have our boots fitted. We let the boot fitter tell us which boot best fits our feet.

If Lange does make a warm liner, but the boot is not designed for your foot, what good is it. Last March when it was time for new boots my boot fitter said that the new Tecnica would be good (I have a Tecnica foot) but last years Lange might be a option, because for the past two years Lange's were designed like Tecnica's but the new Lange the 04' boot was designed like the old Langes and would not be a good fit for my feet.

My son, 16y/o, say's he has bad blood flow to his hands because there are always cold. Funny thing, he never complains about cold feet. Thanks to the boot fitter.

BTW for socks, all I wear is a thin liner sock, not much thicker then silk.

[ December 23, 2003, 12:02 PM: Message edited by: Max Capacity ]
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Max is on point. Fit is king when it comes to warmth AND comfort AND, of course, performance.

You can disagree all you like... that's definitely your right (not "you're right!", eh? )

but legions of folks have experienced to the contrary

last -- there's a few folks who have definite circulatory issues that cause overcold feet. the cure for these folks is more medical than boot-oriented.
post #7 of 20
There are posts here about cold feet that may help you (including one discussing diet changes to help).

Outlast and similar technologies may also help. These fabrics are designed to absorb extra heat and then return it when the body part cools. They are used in gloves, hats, jackets, pants, socks, and boots. Nordica, for example, uses Outlast. This may be the approach Lange is taking, although I can find no reference to it anywhere on the web.

This approach is not going to overcome poorly fitting boots, but it may help if you have an issue that is unsolvable with fit, diet, or medical intervention.
post #8 of 20
By worldfishandski:
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(many people on this forum refuse to believe that cold feet are caused by anything except poor boot fit), I was excited.
Poor fit and the very thin liners typical of bona fide race boots are acknowleged by most people I know to be the cause of cold feet.
The warmest liner that I know of for all day skiing (all else being equal) is the Raichle Themofit. It works in a variety of boots not just the Flexon.

[ December 23, 2003, 06:20 PM: Message edited by: Lostboy ]
post #9 of 20
There are boots though that are known as being cold. Atomics for example have a big metal plate right under the toe and heel that the toe and heel pieces screw into.
post #10 of 20
World, I am going to address what I think you asked: is the boot shown in Skiing on the market now? I think the answer is No.

I asked a couple of Lange retailers in STowe about it this weekend. No one had any info about it.

I also called Dynastar about it. The Customer Service rep I spoke to was not familiar with with the boot at all. I had to read the magazine blurb to her. After geting a copy of the magazine, she told me that the boot described is not available now and did not know whether it would be available in the States. (she opined the boot pictured is Skiing is a model offered in Europe, not here). She meant well but I don't know that I put much stock in anything she said. Clearly though, if the Dynastart folks are unfamiliar with it and the retailers have never heard of it, it ain't available.
post #11 of 20
ps--while I agree that trading a bad fit for a good fit may be the answer for a few cold feet folks, my guess is that for most who have chronic cold feet or digits the condition is unrelated to ski boot fit and indeed unrelated to skiing. If you experience cold feet ONly when you ski though, and not when you are shovieling snow, skating or doing other cold weather activities, then it would seem that bad fit should be at or near the top of the Rule Out list.
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JW, thanks for the direct response and confirming the info I had gathered.

I have always had cold feet. I believe it has to do with frostbite when I was a child but I don't really know. Nowadays, because I have the right gear, I generally only get cold while skiing. Though I don't really have that much outdoor cold weather activity besides skiing. I have tried every sock theory on the planet and it only makes a small difference.

If I ski in temps below 20ºF, my feet go through a brief but painful "thawing out" process at the end of the day. Last week I skied in -16ºF at Whistler for a couple hours. My feet handled it as well as the rest of me did.

As far as the "packed out liners", because I have 250ish days on these boots, I imagine that they are as packed out as it gets. The boots have been professionally fitted, they have no particularly noteworthy pressure points. In an earlier response to this post, different fits of different brands are spoken of. Supposedly Tecnica boots are good for my feet. But logic tells me that with these new completely individualized heat-moldable liners that there would be know way to get a bad fit. Am I wrong about that?

I guess at this point I'll wait until those Lange boots are available on the market. Hopefully that will happen for the Spring Sales.

[ January 13, 2004, 11:40 AM: Message edited by: worldfishnski ]
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There used to be a boot fitters guide on this site. I would recommend that you get in touch with a highly reguarded fitter in your area. Let them help you.

My story from last Saturday. -11 degress. My right foot was fine my left got cold. I took my boot off it was still cold. I had on different socks then normal. I rolled down the top of my left sock so blood would flow to my foot. 5 minutes later my left foot was warm. Sunday I went back to my normal thin sock that I buy for $3.00 a pair. My feet were not cold on Sunday.
post #14 of 20
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Originally posted by Max Capacity:
[QB]There used to be a boot fitters guide on this site.
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There still is. Check it out Here .
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Thread Starter 
The boots were fitted in BC by the Masters on the list but..........................I was also the person who put them on the list.
post #16 of 20
The boot described is called a Lange Comp 120 Freeride, and it is being shipped to Lange dealers right now. The liner is Lange's new "CAC" Comfort Air System. It achieves a custom fit in about 3 minutes unlike anything we have seen before in ski boots. I think it is also important to mention that the out of the box fit is greatly improved as well.

Coup

Oh BTW it probably is about 50% warmer than any traditional liner.

Quote:
Originally posted by worldfishnski:
I openned my complimentary issue of Skiing magazine and in their "Gear" section they are lauding a new Lange boot that was introduced so late this year that they "didn't have time to test it."

Supposedly it is a moldable liner (like the Head boots) that everyone seems to love AND it has a new material in the fill that is super warm. Nylon filaments or something of the like to make it warmer.

I have 200 plus days in on my present boots. And because it is near Xmas and because I have perpetually cold feet (many people on this forum refuse to believe that cold feet are caused by anything except poor boot fit), I was excited. So I went on Lange's website (which is actually Dynastar's website) and the boot on the website as the 120 doesn't look anything like the 120 in the Skiing article.

So I e-mail Lange/Dynastar. They tell me the Skiing magazine article got it wrong and it is really the 130. Fair enough. So I call my favorite ski shops and start asking about these new Lange boots that Skiing says are "in the stores now" and no one has ever heard of a new liner for them. They say that the Freeride 120's AND 130's have both been available as they are today for a couple seasons.

Does anyone know of these new warmer liners? Do they exist? Do I have the wrong model number of boot? I called some shops in Whistler that fit boots for the Canadian Ski Team and they were unaware of a Lange (or any) boot with a new warmer lined that was moldable. In fact they said, "if anyone had a warmer liner they would drive everyone else out of business". I suppose that was Lange's idea. HELP!
[ January 17, 2004, 05:18 PM: Message edited by: coupdevill ]
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Coup:

The ones on the web site don't look like the magazine. Where can I get some info on it? Do you have a link? Thanks for the info!

[ January 20, 2004, 03:28 PM: Message edited by: worldfishnski ]
post #18 of 20
coup is right about the CAC it is just now showing up in dealers in the great white north so i would guess you should be able to find some near you.
one word of advice though, the new system is meant to be heated once so take your footbed with and have the cuff alignment etc. done before heating.
they are warmer too
post #19 of 20
Is CAC different from the foam injection fit liners listed with the 140 Foam and 130 kit under "premium"on the Lange site?
post #20 of 20
The Lange Comp 120 Freeride is described and pictured at:

http://www.ski-mastery.com/lange.htm
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