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post #61 of 66

Those look easier to ski. What are the bindings?

post #62 of 66
Salomon 647's, took em off an there seemed to be no play whatsoever, just some surface oil from sitting in a garage for 20+ years so they should be good, about them being easy to ski: I also find them quite easy, there is a tiny amount of side cut, and I find it amusing that I can even Nordic skate with them (lol)
post #63 of 66
Whoops! Wrong skis! They're tyrolas and the skis look a heck of a lot newer
post #64 of 66

hey guys, im ditching the old skis for a set of more modern skis, they're un-mounted and host parents had an older set of head skis with a very nice set of tyrolia 540 bindings, no surface rust whatsoever and very clean, i was thinking of taking the bindings off the heads and mounting them to said new skis, the tyrolias are all metal (i know the front piece is, i think the back has a plastic base and all metal moving parts) and overall look like a much better binding than the 647's i would use the skis as they are now but they are mounted a little short for my boots, host parents said i could have em so why not mount them to my fit on a fresh set of skis. any thoughts? warnings? other than the usual: "take em to a shop before you kill yourself!"

post #65 of 66


the 3rd image of the unmounted skis, any thoughts?

post #66 of 66

Thanks for a great post.  Everything there makes sense. And not much can be added.   

Still, I'd like to say a few words.  I also hate see people get hurt for no good reason. There are a lot of factors that has to be considered in order to minimize the risk (and do so within a limited budget). 

The  biggest risk factor is not in bad/old bindings - but in bad skiing habits, especially,  a wrong stance. In the States, a great majority of intermediate and even some advanced skiers have a various degrees of "backseat" stance.  Since beginners are taught to make first turns using "pizza";  years later they still rely ONLY on outside ski in turns and put the inside ski flat (or worse), thus the inside ski is very prone to catch edge.  Combined with well-groomed slopes that promote fast skiing, it results in backward-twisted falls (where inside ski pulls and twists the knee).
 THIS IS THE SINGLE MOST COMMON reason of ski injury ( ACL tear)  BY FAR.  Probably, 50-70 % of all ski injuries on the slopes.  

What is also given - is that it's near impossible to change habits and personalities. People will not service their cheap bindings; they will not take lessons, they will ski too fast for their ability and control, they will put themselves at risk trying to save a few $$.  This is given, no talk can change that.  That's not "them", actually. "We". We have different flaws.
Thus, no advice about bindings is good for everyone.  
So, when someone is asking my advice about ski bindings, there is no universal answer.  For some people (especially, very good skiers) I'd say all the same things you said about old bindings being often not functional, non-serviceable ( very few knowledgeable people in this field), having design flaws, - and of general stupidity of risking injury for no good reason. 
But I hesitate to say same things to SOME beginners and intermediates. If I know them as "backseaters", and also know that no matter what I say, they will spend a total of $300 for a package  skis, boots and bindings,  I'd rather suggest to go to ebay,  find there old Tyrolia with diagonal heel (preferably,  new-old-stock) and buy it..   Why?   Because of that diagonal heel.  Exactly same reason why I would never take very same Tyrolia binding to 45 degree slope and fear pre-release in the least convenient moment.   Why diagonal heel ( not to be confused with full diagonal - that's only toe feature) is so important?  
Because they SAVE KNEES exactly in one type of situation -  described above.  Not typical for all skiers, almost never happens to experts, paid heavily with pre-release issues, ugly design, other problems - and yet...  For a whole class of skiers turning heel is one most important safety feature in bindings.
Simply put, modern Knee bindings that are sold for $500 and $600 are remarkably similar in design to these old Tyrolia...   Maybe they do not have same design flaws, maybe they not tend to pre-release after  3-4 years of use. Maybe they are ... a lot of things.  But - THIS PEOPLE who are asking me will not spend 500. Not even 100.   They already set up their mind - they see a lot of used bindings for $50 on ebay.  This is what they gonna spend. 
In this situation, honestly - 490s are better than used Head/Tyrolia SL-70.

One side note.  Look Pivot bindings have a different concept of a turning heel (they have a rotating platform, not a heel piece) ;  in my experience, Look Pivot works better in racing applications; but on relatively low speed ( yet too high for beginner) it takes too long to turn and release. So I do not recommend Look Pivot to beginners, even though it is a great binding and very reliable as well.     

Needless to say, that for about $130-140 beginners can buy something like Head LD 12, perfectly safe binding for beginners and even advanced skiers, better designed, also with same turning heel.  
And experts do not need another advise on which bindings to buy.  



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