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post #1 of 26
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Can't wait to see Pedro melt down again.

Yankees in 6.
post #2 of 26

this is gonna be good

and it is as it should be. us sox fans have exactly what we wanted. time to put up.

from NY Times

October 11, 2004

Beer for the Babe, and a Frenzy for a Red Sox-Yankees Rematch


he signs are everywhere. The New York Yankees and the Boston Red Sox are squaring off for the American League championship for the second year in a row, and a frenzy is following them.

The ticket scalpers outside Yankee Stadium have already raised their prices to as high as $300 per ticket. Bouncers at sports bars are getting ready for unruly crowds.

In Westchester County, the man who tends Babe Ruth's grave is bracing for an onslaught of fans bearing gifts of beer and prayers of victory. And throughout New York, wary Red Sox fans are searching for safe havens to watch the game and cheer.

Fans in both cities are dusting off the old totems and clichés of the Red Sox-Yankee rivalry: the Curse of the Bambino; 1918, the last year Boston won the World Series; pinstripes versus flaming red; Beantown versus the Big Apple.

"I dream always of a Boston-Yankees series," said Jose Maldonado, a baseball coach whose youth league team, the Royals, played yesterday afternoon in the shadow of Yankee Stadium. "It brings the fans of baseball back. All the fans in the country want to see that matchup."

But Yankees fans around the city said that this year's series, which begins tomorrow at Yankee Stadium, is not merely baseball repeating itself, but a torqued-up rematch that has been a year in the making. The New York Post dubbed this year's contest "Ultimate Baseball Armageddon," and few fans would disagree.

The Yankees beat the Red Sox in a seven-game series to win last year's American League title, and fans say the rivalry has only intensified.

The Red Sox traded for Curt Schilling, the All-Star pitcher. Then the Yankees signed the slugger Alex Rodriguez, which some figured gave the team another edge over Boston. During spring training this year, some fans spent $500 just to see the two teams play an exhibition game.

The owners of the two teams sniped during the season, and in July, the teams brawled on the field.

"So much had built up last year after the series," said Frederic Frommer, who, with his father, wrote a history of the teams' animus. "As much animosity as there was last year, it's been fueled even more."

During last year's championship series, fans from Boston and New York visited the Gate of Heaven Cemetery in Hawthorne, where Babe Ruth is buried, Mr. Frommer said. They left sacrifices of hot dogs and beer and team souvenirs. Some asked him to help end Boston's long losing streak, and others urged Mr. Ruth to hold it intact.

"One man was there in a 1920's Boston uniform, cap and all, doing his own incantations," said the cemetery's manager, Andrew Nagle.

Mr. Nagle said he was hoping for a lighter flock of pilgrims this year. "We can't let things get out of hand," he said. "We have to keep the decorum as best we can."

At the Ballpark Sports Bar and Grill, across the street from Yankee Stadium, the plans were exactly the opposite. Though metal gates covered the windows yesterday, the staff inside was eagerly preparing for another crush of fans of both teams.

"They stand around and look at each other and say, 'You want some of me?' " said the bar's bouncer, Bruce Wilson. "I tell them, you got to take that outside."

Last year, fans piled into the restaurant to watch the games on big-screen televisions at the bar and eat hamburgers and cheesesteaks cheaper than the ones sold inside the stadium. The capacity of the restaurant is about 200, but Mr. Wilson said the place fills up until the only open space is on the ceiling.

The restaurant was full of customers hours before the games last year. Boston fans jostled with New York fans, and any time a piece of Red Sox paraphernalia - a pennant, a hat - was dropped, Yankees fans stomped it as if they were crushing a bug.

"It's going to be more tense this year," said Joey Gutierrez, who manages the snack bar.

But Mr. Wilson said he had learned something about crowd control. When a group of rowdy Boston fans walked in, he isolated them in a corner and penned them in behind five barstools. Mr. Wilson said he had kept the group under control, and they were grateful because he acted as if he had set aside a special place for them.

Outside the restaurant, scalpers roamed the sidewalks cooing, "Tickets, tickets," to anyone walking by. A ticket can sell for as little as $50 on a slow summer day, but yesterday afternoon scalpers like Jay Thomas were selling tickets for Tuesday's playoff opener for $250 to $300.

By tomorrow, Mr. Thomas said, he will be asking $400.

"It's in demand," he said. "Everyone wants to buy them. You gotta get them now while they're going for a cheap price."
post #3 of 26

and from beantown

As subjects go, Red Sox not focusing on history

By Bob Hohler, Globe Staff | October 11, 2004

As darkness fell on the banks of the Muddy River, the Red Sox last night boarded a bus at Fenway Park and set out to seek their destiny. They rode to Logan, flew to LaGuardia, bused to Manhattan, and began their final preparations to play the Yankees tomorrow night in Game 1 of the American League Championship Series.

Within nine days, the Sox either will have clinched their first World Series berth in 18 years -- and a shot at their first world championship since 1918 -- or have started their winter vacations.

"No one is expecting us to win because of history," Johnny Damon said. "But we feel like we've had the best team since Day 1. We just need to show up and play well. If we can play defense and hit a little bit, we're going to win."

A year after the Sox and Yankees clashed in one of the most memorable series in playoff history, Curt Schilling will renew the ancient rivalry when he faces Mike Mussina in the Bronx. The teams have played 45 times over the last two years, with the Sox going 23-22 but losing the most important showdown, Game 7 of last year's Championship Series on Aaron Boone's 11th-inning homer.

Almost every game since then, it seems, has further stoked the rivalry.

"This is what rivalries are about," Kevin Millar said. "This is two cities that don't like each other and two of the best teams in the American League going at each other. This is exactly the way it should be."

The Sox fell three victories shy of catching the Yankees in the American League East and gaining home-field advantage in the series. Games 1, 2, 6, and 7 are scheduled for the Bronx, with Games 3, 4, and 5 in the Fens.

"I just don't know how much more there is to say about it," Sox principal owner John W. Henry said. "We all know. We played them even for 26 games last year and another 19 this year. It's hard to imagine two more evenly matched teams. We can't ask for more than that in the playoffs."

Some of the Sox welcome the series as an opportunity to overcome the franchise's 86-year championship drought.

"We enjoy the fact that we're going up against history," Damon said. "Nobody is scared of it. Everyone wants to take it. We like the challenge."

The Sox have gone winless in four Championship Series since they lost to the Mets in the 1986 World Series, bowing to the A's in 1988 and '90, and the Yankees in 1999 and 2003. But the franchise's past futility mattered little to the current players.

"We're a good team, they're a good team," Doug Mientkiewicz said. "The past has absolutely nothing to do with it."

Even Sox players who considered the team's history were quick to discount it.

"If you sit there and dwell on it, you're going to worry about the past," Jason Varitek said. "You have to worry about what you can do today."

Nor was general manager Theo Epstein consumed by history.

"It sounds cliche, but this team's success is due in large part to their approach, which is coming to the park every day prepared to do everything under the sun to win that game on that day," he said. "That's what we have to do eight more times. If we do that, history will take care of itself."

Henry was asked if the Yankees might enter the series with a psychological advantage because of their history of postseason success.

"Not at all," he said. "You've been in this clubhouse. Do they appear to be psyched out? No. I think they're ready psychologically, emotionally, and physically, which is really important."

The Sox announced their four-man rotation for the series -- Schilling, Pedro Martinez, Bronson Arroyo, and Tim Wakefield -- but planned to wait until tomorrow to announce their full 25-man roster. They are scheduled to work out today at Yankee Stadium, and they don't expect to see any ghosts.

"I'm not a math major, but I don't think any of them were around [in 1918]," manager Terry Francona said of his players. "There's a lot of interest in everything the Red Sox do around here. They know that. But sometimes I'm not even sure they know how many outs there are in the inning, so I'm not too sure this other stuff is going to be a real factor."

It was all but impossible to find anyone associated with the Sox who would dispute that the current team is better than the club that fell five outs shy of winning last year's Championship Series. The Sox cited the offseason acquisitions of Schilling and Keith Foulke as major difference-makers.

"With the addition of another No. 1 and a closer, we have to be stronger," Henry said. "I feel very good about it."

The Sox also believe their defense and base running have improved since last year.

"Last year, we were a little one-dimensional," Epstein said. "We were really an offensive juggernaut, and run prevention wasn't necessarily our strong suit, although we did pitch really well in the postseason. This year's team is a bit more multidimensional and there's no glaring weakness necessarily when we execute the play right."

The test begins tomorrow night.

"A lot of people are calling this the World Series right here," David Ortiz said. "We'll see."


(in bold, 'cause i think that about sums it up.)
post #4 of 26

But what about your boy Murray?

Like Autumn's Leaves, the Red Sox Will Fall

Published: October 11, 2004

Be careful what you wish for; you may get it.

That's an old, overused admonition, but sometimes it is more apt than at other times. It is apt this week.

It applies to the Boston Red Sox and their meeting with the Yankees in the American League Championship Series beginning tomorrow night at Yankee Stadium.

No matter what they didn't say last week, the Red Sox wanted the Yankees. Now they have to beat them.

When they were given the opportunity last week, Red Sox players, on the verge of completing a three-game sweep of the Anaheim Angels in the opening round of the playoffs, declined to say whether they would be disappointed if they did not play the Yankees for the pennant.

Now that they are playing the Yankees, the matchup raises the next question: Which would be worse for the Red Sox, losing to the Yankees in the A.L.C.S. or beating the Yankees and losing in the World Series?

The question was not posed to Red Sox players because they could not be reached; maybe they were still out celebrating. It would have been asked of Larry Lucchino, the club's chief executive, but telephone efforts to reach him were also unsuccessful. The only option left was to turn to my e-mail pal, Daniel, who began sending me e-mail messages earlier in the year in response to a statement he found to be outrageous.

Commenting on the position of the teams, I wrote, "Obviously, the status of the two teams can turn around in the remainder of the season, but the one constant that prevails is these are the Yankees and they are the Red Sox. That's reason enough why these things happen."

Daniel, a huge, knowledgeable Red Sox fan, responded last week that it would indeed be disappointing and the A.L.C.S. meaningless if the Red Sox didn't play the Yankees.

Asked which would be worse, losing to the Yankees or in the World Series, Daniel replied: "Losing the World Series. Has to be. I guess my theory/belief is that if the Red Sox beat the Yankees, then it's a foregone conclusion that they will win the World Series, simply because they will gain that extra measure of invincibility needed to beat St. Louis, (Or if fate is really twisted, the Astros, where they'll meet Clemens.)"

Written like a true Red Sox fan.

If the Red Sox should lose to the Yankees, of course, they won't have a chance to lose the World Series, or to win it, for that matter.

Two times in the past five seasons the Yankees have blocked the Red Sox' path to the World Series, preventing them from having a chance to end their championship drought, now 85 years. The Yankees beat the Red Sox in five games in 1999 and in a memorable seven games last year.

There is no Red Sox fan alive who hasn't been teased, disappointed and crushed by the Red Sox, who can't drive 1918 out of the New England lexicon. Often the Red Sox perpetrate the ultimate tease, losing a year ago, for example, after they were only five outs from winning.

Then there was the 1986 World Series, in which a ground ball trickled between Bill Buckner's legs in what should have been the last inning of the last game. There were more innings and another game, and the Red Sox lost. In the 1975 World Series, Carlton Fisk's memorable home run forced a seventh game, only to have the Red Sox lose it.

That's what the Red Sox do. Their opponents don't necessarily win the games; the Red Sox lose them.

Daniel offered an example of his own to explain what will happen this time. "It's kind of like Isiah's Pistons had to beat Bird's Celtics before they could win the world championship," he wrote, "but once they did beat the Celtics, the finals were a cinch. I guess, for the Red Sox, cracking the Yankees is the code into the club."

But the Red Sox may as well use the old Groucho Marx line about not wanting to belong to a club that had him as a member. As we speak, the Red Sox may very well have a better team than the Yankees. Certainly the Red Sox have some starting pitchers who pitch more effectively than any of the Yankees' starters.

But the teams have to play the games on the field. That's where the Yankees are dangerous.

Unless Curt Schilling and Pedro Martínez imitate Curt Schilling and Randy Johnson of the 2001 Arizona Diamondbacks, or unless the Red Sox score as voluminously as they did in their last two regular-season games against the Yankees, they have to be wary.

The Red Sox shouldn't win the series; they are, remember, the Red Sox. (That's the kind of comment that made Daniel and other Red Sox fans insane, or at least incensed.)

But consider an alternative. Consider what would happen if the Red Sox executed the unlikely scenario of beating the Yankees. Then they would lose the World Series.

Their fans, down psychologically deep, couldn't have it any other way. If the Red Sox were to win, their fans would react like the greyhounds that catch the mechanical rabbit.

By the way, does anyone know where the Cubs are?
post #5 of 26
Chass Friday:
"Daniel, a zealous Red Sox fan..."

Chass today:
"Daniel, a huge, knowledgeable Red Sox fan..."

I didn't read this most recent so closely, JD, as it seemed (perhaps to me only) that he'd missed a deadline so recycled from last week's attempt, but it's good to know he has his own Deepthroat.
post #6 of 26
Agreed. But there was one (not very original) observation that is tough to debate:
"Their opponents don't necessarily win the games; the Red Sox lose them."

To fight that perception, Pedro has donned the "Victory Bucket":
post #7 of 26
how can the man find his "daddy" with those things over his eyes?

and re what's "tough to debate," i'd need a much clearer idea about what the hell he's talking about to even know where to start. i'll bet daniel knows.
post #8 of 26

Who's Your Daddy and What Does He Do??

post #9 of 26
Hey Red Sox, who's your daddy. What a bunch of wimps crying about a T shirt. The yanks may not even need the curse this time.
post #10 of 26

Pedro, feel the force of the dark side.
post #11 of 26
Yanks treat sox like a cat does a mouse. Knock it around, let it come back to life, and then snuff it. Manny gets "played" in lf. What's worse, through the legs or over the head?
Hey ryan, can anyone else get in on the bet?
post #12 of 26
your allegiance to style is remarkable in the most literal sense of the word, however (sorry), i myself (it's probably only me) have always found it about t h a t much more sporting to propose wagers before the games are played, odd as that may seem to many.

but keep up the good work

(and here i thought it was more about schilling having no fastball.)
post #13 of 26
Hey, it's only one game. What do you want, odds?
post #14 of 26


i don't want anything other than your continued astute analysis. give me that, i'm pleased as a...well, as a cat with a mouse.

thanks! cheers!

go ferrari.
go salomon.
go seahawks.


it's a Xanax kind of day.
post #15 of 26
What's to analyze? It may get close, but in the end the Sox will choke or the curse will rear its head and the Yankees will prevail no matter who's pitching.

Try Lexapro. It has some nice side affects.
post #16 of 26



have a grrrrrrrrreat day!


(ah, shee'at, The Curse. I totally forgot about that. Thanks for reminding me!!! )
post #17 of 26
Thread Starter 
Originally Posted by Rio

Pedro, feel the force of the dark side.

Now, that's funny.
post #18 of 26
yankee starter pitches a gem, chowds burn through their pen. down by two the Bambino is smiling.
post #19 of 26
The sound of silence.
post #20 of 26
It may get close, but in the end the Sox will choke or the curse will rear its head and the Yankees will prevail no matter who's pitching.
Nice analysis.... enjoy the off season.
post #21 of 26
Can someone get some BBQ sauce for this crow.
post #22 of 26
tell us more about ze cat and ze mouse. that's a funny story. come on, tell it, tell it.

post #23 of 26
Ze cat turned out to be a pussy.
post #24 of 26
Oh, it's already been brung...
post #25 of 26
The ruler is strangely quiet the past 3 days.
post #26 of 26
Hey Red Sox, who's your daddy.
Late breaking news........child kills father in his sleep. Details at 11:00.
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