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Ichiros record.

post #1 of 10
Thread Starter 
Any record that stands for 85 years is significant. Concidering the size of the gloves, the better fielders and such it is great. I would still like to see someone hit .400 again. Ichiro reminds me of Rod Carew as a hitter, no matter where the ball is ptched, he can put the bat on it and either knock ot just over the infilelders hear or leg out the hit. Impressive.
post #2 of 10
a little interesting that there's been no mention (that i've heard) about ichiro amassing all these hits (over 200 of which were singles) in a longer season (162 games to 154) than sisler had, the way this fact was featured when mcgwire was chasing maris's single-season HR record.

to me, and not to take away from ichiro, arguably the most dangerous leadoff hitter since rickey henderson, ichiro's numbers serve to highlight the almost inestimable skill and impact of barry bonds, whose average is pretty much right there with ichiro's BUT with an on-base-percentage almost 200 points higher than suzuki's.
there is no question that bonds could and would hit .400 if he weren't walked so many times. he'd also hit probably 80+ home runs. the fact is, like him or not, barry bonds is head and shoulders above everyone else in the game when you're talking what he brings to every at-bat. he probably sees one or two pitches a game that he can drive, and invariably hits them very hard.

barry bonds was walked intentionally 120 times. the runner-up in this statistic, jim thome of the phillies, was walked intentionally 25 times. (bonds' walk total for the season: 232.)

barry bonds makes an exceedingly difficult task (hitting major league pitching) look easy, and that's scary-good.

ichiro's achievment is remarkable, and i personally wouldn't want to see an asterisk next to his hits total, but bonds is easily the better hitter, and when you add that power, it's not even close.

finally, when you hear major league pitchers talking about how to pitch to the best, the most dangerous hitters in the game, they will discuss a strategy that is a hope, based on maybe a hole in the hitter's swing, or perhaps they tend to chase sliders in the dirt when behind in the count,. etc.; with bonds, they all just shake their heads. there is no way to get him out; you hope he hits it at somebody (not counting that somebody in the bleachers).
there's nobody remotely close to the guy.
post #3 of 10
Is Bonds the best hitter EVER?

Trying to think of someone who comes close...
post #4 of 10
Didn't see Ted Williams hit, but he's the first to come to mind, and he missed some prime years of his career serving in the military.

Albert Pujols, in St. Louis, is pretty impressive, too, and is putting up staggering numbers in the beginning of what should be an incredibly productive career.
post #5 of 10
I agree Ryan, most people use Williams as a benchmark to which others are judged by. I never saw him hit either.

Of the players I've seen hit, my list in no particular order:

George Brett
Rod Carew
Tony Gwynn
Wade Boggs
Barry Bonds
Rafeal Palmero
post #6 of 10
have yet to see a swing as easy and smooth and dreamlike as palmeiro's.

nice list, coach. when i was in high school and teaching myself to hit lefty, the first model i went to was george brett, disciple of the late charley lau.

btw, coach, just curious as to the right-hand batter that comes to mind for you. for me, manny ramirez, then edgar martinez.
post #7 of 10
Originally Posted by ryan
btw, coach, just curious as to the right-hand batter that comes to mind for you. for me, manny ramirez, then edgar martinez.
Edgar Martinez would be on my list for sure, as would Paul Moliter. I think beyond that I'd go back to Mays, Frank Robinson, and Roberto Clemente although these fit the mold of great clutch hitters rather than the sweet swingers of my orignal list.

BTW, I think there's a common feature that makes those on my original list what they are. A natural short, inside-out swing and a willingness to hit the ball where it's pitched, rather than muscle the ball.
post #8 of 10
Thread Starter 
When Brett was flirting with .400 one season, he was the only batter I ever saw that was intentionally walked...with the bases loaded.
post #9 of 10
Bear in mind that Bonds is in an era where batters can load up with body armor and hover over the inside part of the plate, thus shrinking the effective strike zone. Imagine Bob Gibson pitching to Barry Bonds...
post #10 of 10
i'd pay to see that. and gibby'd pound him pretty good if he walked out to the mound. that's the shit part of where the game's gone. so many of these guys start bitching and moaning and puffing up the first time a pitch is that much inside. good point, andrew; still, bonds remains in his own league.

i remember drysdale talking about pitching to henry aaron and how he'd plunk him, knock him down, dust him off, etc., just to have The Hammer get back up and rope a line drive up the alley, or over the fence. (i believe aaron handled drysdale - as well as the rest of the league - pretty well during his career.)

wanna see some mind-bending numbers? check the stats on the back of a henry aaron card sometime.

i guess i don't mind the armor so much; just don't cry when you get pitched high and tight. a pitcher can't (or won't) do that, he's not going to last.

remember when robin ventura walked out to nolan ryan after a high, tight one? nolan did a pretty good noogy number on robin's noggin. and this was a nolan ryan at 43, 44, still throwing gas and not taking guff.

at the same time, a fastball at your ear can erase a good mood pretty quick.

man, it's october. baseball playoffs and mammoth opening in a month.
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