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post #1 of 24
Thread Starter 
I know I'm looking a ways into the future, but I think it will help me make the best decision possible.

So here's the situation:

I'm 21, will be graduating this spring with a BA in computer science from the U of MN: morris. Over the past year, I've became a semi-professional poker player playing on the side as a hobby and have made 6 figures already. I'm not too foolish to not finish out my degree (and hey, I really enjoy college actually...so i'm in no hurry to leave).

Up til now there has been a lot of presure from my parents, my mom especially, to go gung ho for a computer job right out of school, not because she doesn't agree with my poker or think I'm going to lose, but because it's what people should do. I can see her case and of course take it into account even though she knows as well as I it's my life and I can do what I want.

The way I lean right now is to take a year off, make a bunch more money playing poker (lets not debate whether you think I can or can't make a lot of money doing it, just accept it as fact) and spend the winter half skiing and playing poker/having a good time other days. After that, buy a house and reevaluate my situation...probably getting a job, but who knwos. Sounds like the life eh?

This isn't so simple as I don't have any friends in the same situation or really know anyone well out west. I guess my real question is where/what is the best place to go for a guy to go out west to meet up with some people to hang/ski with. The Utah resorts are up there as my favorites for sure as far as skiing goes.

One other option I can see is live in MN and because many of my friends can't afford going out west, footing the bill and taking trips with different ones etc. I wouldn't feel used at all as the guys I'd do it with I've been friends with my whole life and know what kind of characters they are.

Just curious of input on any of the above. As I said this would be for 2 winters from now so it's not a huge hurry, I'd just like to have a better basis for my decision and I'm sure there are some people who have some good experiance based thoughts, as I'm just a 21 year old who doesn't really know what's going on.

If anything isn't clear, either, just ask. Thanks in advance.
bk
post #2 of 24
My two cents are - whether or not the poker thing is a viable source of income - take the plunge, spend a winter at a resort that you have always wanted to live at and see where it takes you. It takes a full season at a 'real' mountain to really get your legs under you and you really can't do that with a few trips a season. Then, you can decide to move on with your life, or stay in the ski town and carve a career out there.
PS
I moved out from Minnesota myself almost 14 years ago and I haven't regretted it one bit. As a matter of fact, I've wound up in Park City and the mountains of Utah sure are a lot different from the hills of Minnesota.
post #3 of 24
If you are making 6 figures playing poker and you like doing it, move out west and follow your dreams. The IT jobs will still be there.

Where do you play, and what limits do you play?

I am making about 30K playing part time online, mostly 3/6 and tourneys.
post #4 of 24
You guys need to ski more and stop watching those Vegas TV shows.

But seriously you are the only one that has to live with the choices you make. Best to have a back up plan incase your luck with the cards runs out.
post #5 of 24
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrryde
If you are making 6 figures playing poker and you like doing it, move out west and follow your dreams. The IT jobs will still be there.

Where do you play, and what limits do you play?

I am making about 30K playing part time online, mostly 3/6 and tourneys.
$15/30 party - 4 to 6 tables depending on my mood.

do you post on the 2+2 forums?

/edit to include hourly rate. 2.89 bb/100 over 73,000 hadns of 15/30.

Somewhere around $200-$300 per hour.
post #6 of 24
the worlds a small place. i am a freshman in computer science with a sprouting poker career. i have recently started to try and make decent money online and am in the process of building a bankroll and finding the most profitable game. right now i play just Hold 'Em, 4 tables of NL$25 on Party Poker.

i say follow the poker career and tell me how it works out. in the words of warren miller, "if you dont do it this year, you'll be one year older when you do." it would be a shame to turn what could be a year of poker and skiing into a year of work.

if you dont mind my asking, what games/limits do you play on what sites, how many tables at once, and what is your average hourly profit?

edit: n/m responded to mrryde as i was typing
post #7 of 24
Finish school, keep doing what you like, move west, (perhaps Tahoe).
post #8 of 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by bicyclekick
$15/30 party - 4 to 6 tables depending on my mood.

do you post on the 2+2 forums?

/edit to include hourly rate. 2.89 bb/100 over 73,000 hadns of 15/30.

Somewhere around $200-$300 per hour.
I just joined yesterday, handle is I_play_2_ski. I used to post there alot and then I stop and I forgot what my handle was. I figured it woukd be best not to use my party poker name.

2.89 bb/100 is awesome at that level. I am at 2.78 at 3/6 and 1.54 at 5/10 so i have been hesitant to move up. I have observed some of those 15/30 games and they look as well played as the 1/2 games I used to play in. I will get up there once the roll supports it.

FYI I am an IT guy and have been doing it for a decade. I would love to do what you plan. The IT world just leads to burnout. Not to say multitabling 8 hours plus a day at Party won't
post #9 of 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by bicyclekick
One other option I can see is live in MN and because many of my friends can't afford going out west, footing the bill and taking trips with different ones etc. I wouldn't feel used at all as the guys I'd do it with I've been friends with my whole life and know what kind of characters they are.
Have you seen the HBO program "Entourage?"

You'd be the Marky Mark character!
post #10 of 24
BK, your poker job will never be outsourced to India.
post #11 of 24
Finish school, move to Tahoe, buy yourself enough skis that you have a pair of fat skis for your buddies when they fly out to hang with you...and take a heli trip or two while you are making the big bucks!
post #12 of 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by MilesB
BK, your poker job will never be outsourced to India.
Best line ever...

Since I just went through that last summer
post #13 of 24
Honey, I'm quitting my job and staying home to play cards!

Please, BK, tell me how to do this!
post #14 of 24

well, bonni, it's like this

ya gotta know when to hold 'em.
know when to fold 'em.
know when to walk away, know when to run.
you never count your money when you're sittin' at the table,
there'll be time enough for countin'...when the dealin's done.

'course, that could just be a rumor
post #15 of 24
Quote:
Originally Posted by ryan
ya gotta know when to hold 'em.
know when to fold 'em.
know when to walk away, know when to run.
you never count your money when you're sittin' at the table,
there'll be time enough for countin'...when the dealin's done.

'course, that could just be a rumor
Thats so old school
post #16 of 24
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrryde
I just joined yesterday, handle is I_play_2_ski. I used to post there alot and then I stop and I forgot what my handle was. I figured it woukd be best not to use my party poker name.
Excellent. Great place to learn.
Quote:
Originally Posted by mrryde
2.89 bb/100 is awesome at that level. I am at 2.78 at 3/6 and 1.54 at 5/10 so i have been hesitant to move up. I have observed some of those 15/30 games and they look as well played as the 1/2 games I used to play in. I will get up there once the roll supports it.
Yeah, I do think I'm running well, though and my true winrate is probably lower. Who knows, though. 70k hands is a pretty decent sample size. And yes, the 15/30 is full of retarded loose aggressive clowns who couldn't even beat a regular 1/2 game.

2.78 and 1.54 are really good numbers for those games, actually. I only played 5k hands of 5/10 but I was a losing player. So are a lot of other people, as the game is just weird. Most people can't beat 3/6 for that much, either.

I definately agree with pushing as hard as you can to get to 15/30. You are right, though, you do need a big roll to be safe because of the aggressive nature of the game. I still would take a few shots with a low amount of money...say 3k. You really need about 15k to make sure you don't go broke.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mrryde
FYI I am an IT guy and have been doing it for a decade. I would love to do what you plan. The IT world just leads to burnout. Not to say multitabling 8 hours plus a day at Party won't
I can imagine. Yeah, but it's not likely I'd play so many hours per day. I could play way less and make plenty of money.
post #17 of 24
Quote:
2.78 and 1.54 are really good numbers for those games, actually. I only played 5k hands of 5/10 but I was a losing player. So are a lot of other people, as the game is just weird. Most people can't beat 3/6 for that much, either.
I am making more money playin 2/4, although I did find a real sweet 3/6 table last night, doubled my buyin on the first orbit when I turned the nuts and got unlimited action from 3 LAG's. Dragged a $224 pot playing 3/6, it was great. Yeah the 5/10 is wierd, i can't put my finger on why though, I need to spend more time. The players are surely bad for the most part. I'll take at stab at the 15/30 soon enough, hopefully the first session will be positive to the bankroll.

Do you play any tourney's? If find the 50+5 SnG's very soft.

Joe
post #18 of 24
Thread Starter 
Yeah, the general concensus is you can make more at 2/4 than at 3/6 which was definately true for me back when I played. I did actually often find myself playing 2/4 over 3/6 for that exact reason.

Definately take taht shot at 15/30 and I too wish you the best of luck that the first session will be positive.
post #19 of 24
Hey BK...don't let anyone tell you that just because you're 21, you don't "know any better". You've obviously got a head on your shoulders to think stuff through...good for you!

Just my 2 cents...first of all you're asking this question in a forum that is primarily driven by skiing, the passion for it, etc...so you'll likely get all positives "go for it" answers. So I'm gonna put my "mom" hat on.

When my oldest graduated HS he went backpacking through Europe w/ my dad (yea, dad is very cool). I encouraged him to take a year off and follow the snow. He didn't and is in his second year of college (computers also). Uh..by the way my son has his head on much better than I did at that age! The beauty of doing something like what you're proposing is that right now is the likely the most independent time in your life. If you want one day to get married and have a family...and that's great but also brings responsibilities to share.

If I were in your shoes I'd: move out West, keep the poker income (and invest in property out West) and if you have time do some consulting pt computer work to keep the skills you've learned and not be viewed as "out of touch" if you go to a company later.

In the meantime...take a few trips this year and next and pick out which place out West you want to plant roots. Keep your door open to your life long friends and have a ball!!!!
post #20 of 24
OK guys, you're awesome poker gods and we all bow to you. Now please take this digression to the lounge.
post #21 of 24
Thread Starter 
Yeah, sorry we digressed to poker discussion, as that really wasn't the point of why I made this thread...hehe.

I ffigured most of the responses would be positive...my original intention was to figure out what people thought would be the best place to go given my situation.

Thanks so much for the responses guys...
post #22 of 24
Take some time and head out to Park City for a season. Easy for your friends to commute in and out of. Buy a season pass. Ski like hell. Play poker when there's no fresh powder to ski. Drink lots of beer at night. It's 3.2 so you'll have to drink a lot.

Then you can "settle down" with a job after the season. Or you may like it so much that you'll be there forever...
post #23 of 24
Thread Starter 
Oddly enough I've been to 00tah 4 times (or is it 5 now, I can't count) and I've never made it to the PC side of things. I was gonna go to DV last year but we couldn't get over there cause we had no rental car and shuttles were way exp.

I've always just been under the assumption that the snow isn't as good and it's more of a corporate feel.

I did like Snowbasin quite a bit and powder mountain was cool.

What kinds of places for living are avail and how much do they cost?

Do they offer a combined pass for all of the PC side resorts?
post #24 of 24
Pretty easy to find roommates up in Park City. Most of the ski instructors move up there in early December. There's a hostel in PC that's really cheap. You can stay there while looking for a place to live if you want. Or call ahead and see what you can find. Searching the net is probably a good idea.

I knew one group of guys that lived in a house right next to The Canyons, and they split the rent like 9-10 ways in a 4 BR house! So, you can pay a little and live like a bum...or pay a lot and have some privacy.

Try to message some of the guys who live in PC from this board. There are a lot of instructors up there that post here and maybe some of them know of others looking for a roommate. Good luck!

As far as the skiing goes, PC gets good snow, just not as good as LCC and BCC usually does. But it's still really good! I know if you work at any of the 3 resorts, you get one free pass a week to the other 2 resorts. Also, if you work at a local shop in PC, you can usually show a pay stub at the other resorts to get free passes. Plus, you'll usually get to know people that work at other resorts up there early on. It's the barter system up there. Scratch someone else's back, and they'll do the same. Trade beer for ski tunes. Trade ski lessons for beer, etc.

PM me if you want any more info....

Lee
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