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post #1 of 27
Thread Starter 
Hi All.

I'm looking at new skis (6*s or Rossi 9s Oversize) and am consequently looking at new bindings. I've had Markers in the past. But last year I got thrown from my boards a wee too soon a couple of times. Once this caused a broken collar bone - a feat I'd really like to not repeat as it was mid sewason. I'm looking at the Salomon S912Ti, but would love to see a real comparitive review somewhere on bindings - something I haven't been able to find on the web.... Absent that, I'd appreciate some input from you all.

Look?
Marker?
Salomon?
Others?

Thanks folks.
post #2 of 27
You may not have a choice. I know the 9S accepts Rossignol/Look bindings only and I believe the 6* uses Marker only with the motion rails.
post #3 of 27
6* come with AT PCOS bindings. No Option. Good Luck. If you do look at a ski that you can buy bindings separately, check out the Tyrolia HD14's.
post #4 of 27
The 912Ti is a good binding, solid and no dud release issues when skied hard in my experience. I used Salomon almost exclusively for 20+ years but this was my the first time back on them after 10+ years with Ess/ Marker/ Atomic and I have no complaints.
post #5 of 27

Look/Rossi

The Look Pivot bindings are great, a lot of elasticity and upward toe release (which, I'm not sure the Salomons have). I wish my current pair of skis had the Looks (my last pair did). The Rossi Axials are basically the same.
post #6 of 27
My personal choice is the Look / Rossi pivot heel bindings. As stated above they have more traval before release then any other binding currently on the market. Where other bindings release they will bring you back to center. With both Marker and Sollie bindings when skiing off piste I would have to set my din up at least 2 numbers. With the Look binding I can keep my Din setting set lower without any prerelease problems . I really don't want to be out for a season due to a blown knee. Also the pivot heel turns directly under the Tibia shaft,taking a lot of pressure off that bone. One more vary big benefit to the Look /Rossie binding is that you don't have to clear all the snow from the soles of your boots to get them on. That makes them the easist to put on if you release in deep powder. Attempting to clear snow from your boots while sitting in 24" of snow on a 35 to 45 degree slope isn't a lot of fun. Once you are back onto firmer snow you can then kick off the excess snow for a more secure fit.
post #7 of 27
Go Look/Rossi, and you won't go back to Marker.
post #8 of 27
Bindings being safety equipment are far too contraversial for any publisher to write reviews on, ski magazines don't seem to mention bindings much if at all any more.

So the closest thing to a review is the anecdotal evidence from forums such as this, and there seems to be a vocal and enthusiastic support for Look/Rossi bindings given their relatively small market share. There seem to be dozens of stories of people switching from Marker to Look and nobody switching back.
post #9 of 27
Thread Starter 

Thanks Everyone

Great. I go to bed and get up in the morning and have all these great replies from you all. I really appreciate that. ('Had a dream that we got tons of snow in October, last night. I was climbing up the mountain to ski the trees....not that this is on my mind at all.)

Again, thanks.

- Willy
post #10 of 27
defanetly look-rossi same binding there are great they release when there are soposto and dont when they arnt and you dong have to crank them up to stay in. I love them
post #11 of 27
yeah, I love my looks. I run my looks at 7 and my sollies at 9, and the looks still release far less, and only when needed.
post #12 of 27
I'm a former marker girl, new convert to Look Pivots.
One interesting side benefit: I don't have to spend a ridiculous amount of time getting every last speck of snow off my boots in order for them to click in. Not sure why the change of bindings made a difference, but it makes me very happy.
post #13 of 27
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Originally Posted by Lisamarie
I'm a former marker girl, new convert to Look Pivots.
One interesting side benefit: I don't have to spend a ridiculous amount of time getting every last speck of snow off my boots in order for them to click in. Not sure why the change of bindings made a difference, but it makes me very happy.
its due to the way each operates. I love my markers for my groomer bombers, but for all my other skis I like looks. They're designed for useability, not lab conditions. The markers have more complex stuff goin on in the toe, but it doesn't mean anything if its stuffed with snow.
post #14 of 27
One advantage of the Look pivots is if you fall in powder and eject, you can easily pull the heels up to get back in; you don't have to stomp on them.
post #15 of 27
Arrrgghhh.
I wish I had read this thread 4 days ago.
Just mounted a set of Salomon 912 Ti's to my new skis. The salesman mentioned the Look which I rejected because of the heel. Little did I know.......

On the other hand, I've been skiing salomon for years and have had no problems.
post #16 of 27
Double check warrenty, if you stay w/in brands, warrenties are usually extented. But with the intergrated systems, you will be limited.

Squeaky wheel, you made a fine choice staying w. the Solomons..if you went with the Looks, you would have been fine too. I use Salomons, simpley because I have the jigs for them so I can do all my own mounting.

Past that there isn't a bad binding out there, dispite peoples preferences.
post #17 of 27
gotcha. thanks for the comforting words.
I'll sleep better tonight
post #18 of 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by crudmeister
One advantage of the Look pivots is if you fall in powder and eject, you can easily pull the heels up to get back in; you don't have to stomp on them.
Life just keeps getting better!
post #19 of 27
there is absolutely no correlation between elasticity and retention. elasticity simply refers to the amount of sideways movement a binding must move before the toe is left free to fully disengage from the toe holding wings. all bindings will release in the sense that you will exit the binding no matter what after the same amount of lateral travel.

if you have "pre-release" problems (there is no such thing, actually) please read the entire text at this link:

http://www.vermontskisafety.com/faq_..._skiers_8.html
post #20 of 27
I will ask the obvious question, as nobody else has :-

Are you sure your original bindings were set correctly when they pre-released ?

As regards other bindings, I have used Look turntable bindings but I was never a big fan. I also used Tyrolia but mostly Salomon.

I favour Salomon because they are sound plus they are widely available and serviceable.

Marker was not that common outside German speaking countries, though I think integrated ski/binding packages will change that.
post #21 of 27
"all bindings will release in the sense that you will exit the binding no matter what after the same amount of lateral travel."
please clarify this statement
post #22 of 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by waxman
"all bindings will release in the sense that you will exit the binding no matter what after the same amount of lateral travel."
please clarify this statement
wow! that is a bad one! sorry.

the release mechanisms in all bindings "release" all spring force holding you into the toe after roughly 5mm of lateral movement.

after that, it is a function of how much more lateral travel the toe mechanism requires to actually let the boot go.

elastic travel refers to this 5mm, not the up to 45mm that some binding manufacturers claim.

the up to 45mm refers to how long it takes the toe wings to move a sufficient amount to let the boot actually exit.
post #23 of 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by unionbowler
there is absolutely no correlation between elasticity and retention. elasticity simply refers to the amount of sideways movement a binding must move before the toe is left free to fully disengage from the toe holding wings. all bindings will release in the sense that you will exit the binding no matter what after the same amount of lateral travel.

if you have "pre-release" problems (there is no such thing, actually) please read the entire text at this link:

http://www.vermontskisafety.com/faq_..._skiers_8.html
elasticity is one of the sources of retention, but not the whole picture.

a binding with greater elasticity will retain the skier when others would pre-release.

seems that retention is linked to elasticity, whether we like it or not.
post #24 of 27
binding theory is great and all, but I go by what I feel and experience on the mountain with a properly adjusted set of bindings. I hate my solly 912's for this reason, as at anything below 9 I release constantly on everything other than groomers.
post #25 of 27
Quote:
Originally Posted by unionbowler
there is absolutely no correlation between elasticity and retention. elasticity simply refers to the amount of sideways movement a binding must move before the toe is left free to fully disengage from the toe holding wings. all bindings will release in the sense that you will exit the binding no matter what after the same amount of lateral travel.
The above statement is clearly wrong.

Elasticity allows the binding to absorb impacts beyond the rated/tested release torque for an amount of time that is a function of the range of elastic travel and the torque applied. Thus, Look heels don't release in situations where Salomons do, at the same setting.
post #26 of 27

Are the popular Look bindings the same as the Dynastar PX series?

post #27 of 27
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Originally Posted by tekkamaki View Post

Are the popular Look bindings the same as the Dynastar PX series?



yes.

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