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Stockli Stormrider - different versions?

post #1 of 11
Thread Starter 
I'm planning on picking up a free skiing ski this year, and the stormriders are on the top of my list. As far as I can tell there are three generations of the ski out there:

3rd Gen "New Stormrider": Orange, black tail, on stockli website. 2 sheets Ti, 174, 184, 194 cm lengths, 109/73/99.

2nd Gen "Stormrider 2": Blue, black and cream/white colored, similar look to third gen. Also on stockli website. 176/186/192/198 cm, 105/73/97. 2 Sheets Ti?

1st Gen "Stormrider": Blue, black and white/cream, but a very different look. 3 sheets Ti

Now, I don't care at all what the skis look like except for identification purposes. I'm looking for info on how they ski vs. each other.

I should be able to demo both the 184 and 194 in the 3rd generation ski. I'm also interested in the 186 and 192 cm stormrider II if available, it has less side cut, but is it a similar ski? Is it as beefy?

I'm about 6'1", 190 lb, and an expert. I have about ten pairs of skis in my apartment right now (about 4-5 that I actually ski), but this going to be the do everything east coast ski, from carves on ice to moderate powder to moguls - the one pair, all day quiver. I'll probanly go with a 184 or 186, but I normaly freeski a 203 Elan slalom ski, so it has to be somewhat beefy.


<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ December 18, 2001 07:37 AM: Message edited 1 time, by Red Sled ]</font>
post #2 of 11

When I demo'd the '02 Stormrider last Saturday, I was told that there is a "blue" '02 Stormrider that has an even SMALLER sweet spot than on the "orange" '02 Stormrider that I rode.
post #3 of 11
Gonzo - I think that blue 02 stormrider is just the second gen, but I believe they're still making it.

Word is that the first gen stormrider is the stiffest of them all, the second one is a bit softer, and I think the third is possibly a little softer than the second. I've heard the new orange SR also has a foam core (actually not really 'foam' rather 'New Iso-Core-Servo Fiberglass').
post #4 of 11
The 02 descriptive lists two sets of dimension (lengths) for:

Stormrider II .... 176, 186, 192 & 198

Stormrider ....... 170, 180 & 190

Color Brochure on the Stormrider II however, indicates 174, 184 & 194 ?? :, but no illustration of the Stormrider ???

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ December 17, 2001 08:25 PM: Message edited 1 time, by yuki ]</font>
post #5 of 11
The actual ski is more muted orange than the photo, looks really good in person:


<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ December 17, 2001 09:19 PM: Message edited 1 time, by NWJohngalt ]</font>
post #6 of 11
<BLOCKQUOTE>quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by yuki:
Stormrider ....... 170, 180 & 190<HR></BLOCKQUOTE>

I'm looking at my Stormrider I across the room. Its looking back wistfully remembering what snow once felt like here in the east.

Anyway, FWIW, what I see is slightly at variance with what has been posted earlier in this thread: My SR I is a 198, and the colors are mostly silver & black with yellow accents.

Tom / PM

PS - And yes, it is considerably stiffer than the SR II.

PS2 - And no, I don't find it all that much of a bear to turn - it's my "go-fast" ski. It's certainly easier than my old 205 Volkl Zebras (but much less responsive than my p40's). The ideal semi-modern ski for my occasional retro-grouch days.
post #7 of 11
Thread Starter 
Foam core....arhhhh! Can anybody confirm this? Is the SR2 still availble?

post #8 of 11
yeah, the orange on is the new "iso-core". which means a whole bunch of synthetics. i didn't own the first one, but rode it a few times, truly insane ride. the longer lengths of the older one had 3 sheets and the shorter (under 186?) had 2. DON'T ski these in moguls. a lot of people have bent them and stockli is almost impossible to get a new pair out of.
post #9 of 11
Red - the SR2 I believe is still available (it's still on their site). As for the 'foam' core on the SR3, they say it's some sort of iso-core or sumthin, and I've heard that it is much better than the foam cores that Rossi and Salomon and the rest of the industry uses.
post #10 of 11

"Iso" is a composite material of kevlar, fiberglass, plastics and binders. The core is cut out of a mother block with its camber in place. No "foam" is used. I've seen this material, it's similar to Dupont's Corian that counter tops are made of. People tend to knee-jerk associate Iso with "foam", nothing could be further from reality. The days of Hexel's "foam" core are a thing of the past. BTW, Stockli asserts that Iso is more expensive than wood, so Iso isn't for cost-cutting purposes. Since Iso is impervious to humidity (unlike wood), the ski can be made to more exacting tollerances.

I have all three models. They're all the same in stablity... 3rd generation is the easiest to initiate into a turn at slower speeds. Also, the shovel is 3 mm wider than 2nd gen.

Rock'n doc

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ December 19, 2001 02:23 PM: Message edited 3 times, by Rock'n Doc ]</font>
post #11 of 11
Either I'm some kind of superhero on skis (unlikely), or I just don't get it. The current generation of Stocklis is not hard to ski. I have owned both the Storm 2 and this year's new Storm. I am 42, 5-11,210 and do rec racing, as well as all-mountain sans serious moguls. The new Stormrider (184)is a curious and remarkable blend of ease, stability, suppleness, and power in all conditions. Very subtle, yet confidence building. This thing takes control of pow, crud, and ice. I repeat, it is not hard to ski. In fact I am puzzled as to how forgiving and friendly it is while aching to get me down the hill ahead of everyone else. If you sit directly on the tails I suppose it will squirt you out, but such skiing will blow out your ACL anyway, so get centered guys. No, I don't work for Stockli and have owned more skis and brands than I care to admit. The Volkls, Atomics, and Fischers available to the public are clearly a level below Stockli. The Storm as well as all Stocklis are well designed, well made, and will take any level 6 skier and up to the next respective level. If you feel ambitious, push it hard, if you want to enjoy the scenery, just ride it. Great ski. Not some kind of boutique ski either. All Stocklis are handmade Swiss beauties, but form definitely follows function.

I also own the Stockli Laser GS in 186 with a Stinflex 24 for racing. More demanding, but not too stiff, and extremely fast and easy to control with a little attention. It is real race stock but works with you, not against you.

My point is not to be afraid of Stockli. You don't need to be a monster to ski them. Decent technique is disproportionately rewarded.

<FONT COLOR="#800080" SIZE="1">[ January 01, 2002 11:43 AM: Message edited 1 time, by TJazz ]</font>
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