thanks for the link milesbConfirms what I suspected and stated above, not much understanding out there of the super phantom style of turn
That doesn't make anything bob says invalid, just a lot of his description, pics are not applicable to the basic bread and butter SP turn. (which like I said above is probably why I don't see to many people on the hill doing those style of turns even though it's the most common turn type for a PMTS trained skier)
Lito's early weight shift turn, Harold's Super Phantom turn, and Eric and Rob's turn (which is the same) is referred to in Bob's link above, as a negative movement. (which it isn't)
Some day if I get to share some slope time it'll be fun to mutually share our ideas of movement patterns. I would guess from what I read that many here do not like the early weight shift style of turn or perhaps have never done that type of turn and have opinions without the experience of that particullar style of turn. I would have to conclude it's just lack of experience with that style of turn if someone has the opinion it's a negative movement. That just shows a very basic un-familiarity or misunderstanding of what they're reading in any of the above 3 mentioned book sources about this turn. If you actually did it on the hill you couldn't say these things as it's obviously not true.
That would explain why some people think you always have to stem the entries at slow speed though. I always wondered how that made any sense. But if your not actually familiar with the early weight shift turn, that explains it. Probably people's written descriptions are not the best of this turn (even though the pictures are accurate).