Indeed, John, I share your taste for this turn! It is one of my favorite turns too. Besides being fun, it is a great balance and skill-building drill as well. I recommend mixing it up with its "cousins"--the "inside-flat" move and "inside-inside" move (all named, by the way, for the edges you move from and to--inside edge of downhill ski to inside edge, outside edge, or flat uphill ski). Each has its use, and each produces unique sensations. The "inside-flat" weight transfer causes a gliding, smooth, but immediate start to the new turn--racers used it for medium-offset gates. It is most similar to the standard, two-footed smooth weight transfer of the "perfect turn" that I have described. (It is important to note that a weight transfer does not necessarily require a ski to come off the snow.) The inside-inside move (you'd like this one, John!) was used for minimally-offset gates, down the fall line. It brings you dramatically from one strongly carving ski to the other, which starts carving hard as soon as you step on it. It doesn't take you far across the fall line (so it doesn't slow you down much), and it isn't for the faint of heart! But it is fun. The final "cousin" to these turns is the "White Pass Turn," which involves what you (John) might call a "weighted release," and a very late weight transfer. You stay on the downhill ski, roll it to its outside (downhill, little toe) edge and begin carving the turn balanced on what is now the inside ski. Somewhere around the fall line, you transfer your weight to the outside ski, which immediatedly engages and carves with a vengeance!
I use past tense in the above paragraph, because you see these moves much less commonly in racing today. Today's skis just don't require such dramatic steps as before to get the job done. The "inside-outside" move (John's turn), in particular, is rarely needed because, first, gates tend to be less offset than before, and second, today's skis carve such tight arcs that the racer doesn't need that diverging uphill step to finish the direction change and "gain height." But you still do see these moves in racing, if you look closely. They may be less dramatic, with less or no divergence, due to the new skis. But they do happen!
And these skills certainly have a place in every day skiing too. They are not "better turns," fundamentally, than any other. I would not recommend them as your basic standard technique, but they are great special arrows for your quivver, and again, they can be a blast to play with.
It is unfortunate, in my opinion, that today's trends have become so strongly focused on two-footed pressure. Yes, that's important too, but many instructors seem to be "afraid" to play with these "old" techniques, which really are as contemporary and important as they ever were--and as much fun. I do not waver from my stance that good skiing requires becoming adept at ALL of these options, with the ability to balance on either or both skis and to transfer your weight at any moment, at will, or as the need arises. Skiing is about SKILL. With skill, you can do anything you want!
Other things from your post have caught my eye. "Rebound." Not sure exactly what you mean by this term, but it generally refers to stored energy that is released from your legs and your reverse-cambered skis when the pressure is released. If that is what you are referring to, then keep in mind that it cannot, in fact, "propel you into the new turn." Rebound from the skis can only create a force perpendicular to the running surface of the skis. Imagine a ski supported between two chairs. Put a hockey puck in the middle of the ski, press down to flex the ski, and then release it. The ski snaps back, and which direction does that hockey puck fly? Straight up, of course. That's what classic "rebound" does to you. It's useful for unweighting, which can be helpful if you want to redirect your skis before reengaging them. And it can be fun! It's like bouncing on a trampoline, or on your bed, or a diving board. It's fun! But other than unweighting, it is not terribly useful. And it contradicts your described goal of getting pressure on your new edges and carving as early as possible in the turn.
Of course, you may have something else in mind by "rebound." Whatever it is, I don't deny that it's probably a real sensation you feel, and that you like it. Good for you!
|"You are most happy to stick with your passive weight shift style of turns while I make even more efficient use of ski design and gravity with my active weight shift style of turns and work with coaches that teach the same."
Honestly, John, how do you know what makes me happy? Happiness is a personal thing, and there is no accounting for taste. My descriptions of various turn types should never be construed as a value judgement, or a statement of preference--unless I say they are! They can all be fun.
I have stated on a number of occasions that "perfect turns" are not necessarily the most fun. Remember that I was extremely reluctant to even use the term "perfect turn" (reread the preamble to the thread in which I described it, and the prior thread that inspired that one). It was really at the request of SCSA, who was uncomfortable with my contention that there is no "perfect turn," no one technique that is the be all, end all of skiing. He did not like my suggestion that skiing is about skills and versatility, rather than one, clear, easily described "one size fits all" technique that could be developed with a single technical progression. The "perfect turn" discussion was my response to that request. Before I could describe the technique, I went to great lengths to establish the parameters of that turn--the intent, the outcome, the purpose. Only when you establish a clearly defined intent can you discuss technique as "good" or not. But I have also taken pains to point out that, because you may have many different intents, you MUST NOT practice only one kind of turn!
Unfortunately, this will probably be my last post to this thread. I do enjoy this lively discussion, but I really cannot afford to neglect my other priorities. At least, I'm hoping that I can stay away--I've got a book to finish....
Have fun, keep learning, and, oh yeah--make sure your skiing embodies the GO! Factor!