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post #31 of 49
The orthotics are MUCH smaller than the feet.... they just have a soft topsheet - that can be trimmed to any shape as it is not a functional part of the orthotic. Correction is all done in the under ankle area - this is the most efficient place to make corrections as smaller corrections produce greater result on the foot (or so I am told) hence the current orthotics are MUCH slimmer than the editions I had in the 90's - which really barely fitted in anything other than a full hiking boot. (imagine an orthotic that was nearly 1 cm thick at its thickest point. My whole heel sat really IN the damn thing)
post #32 of 49
I had planters facitous last year and a visit to the Dr advised me to purchase some custom footbeds or have some inserts/orthotics made for my shoes. The prescription orthotics were going to cost $200.
Since the ski magazines all tout custom footbeds, I went to my local ski shop owner and asked about custom footbeds. The cost - $100. I love'em. I also put them in my golf shoes. The Dr also gave me some exercises to do and the combination has helped tremendously.
post #33 of 49
My pod treatment: diagnosis, video of walking, plaster cast and orthotics made up, came to around $600. Although they are in no way skiing orthotics, they have improved my skiing enormously (they were made for normal shoes and are only 2/3rds length).
post #34 of 49
Originally Posted by T-Square
Your best bet is probably podiatrist who skis.
I keep nagging her to see my Pod, who does indeed ski and is quite good, too.
post #35 of 49
but I don't live anywhere near him & the few times I go through he is not open.....
post #36 of 49
I f acustomer asks me about using a footbed that I made in regular street shoes I tell to go se a podiatrist. I am not a Dr. and the footbeds that we make are not built into correction, they support the foot and fill in gaps. For me to tell sombody that a footbed I made can be a replacement for an orthotic is B.S. I did have a racer last week bring her Dr in with her and we all worked together to get her into a boot with her orthotic to correct fome movement patterns that her Dr identified, this was an ideal situation but may not be the most affordable way to do things.
post #37 of 49
Originally Posted by ant
My pod treatment: diagnosis, video of walking, plaster cast and orthotics made up, came to around $600. Although they are in no way skiing orthotics, they have improved my skiing enormously (they were made for normal shoes and are only 2/3rds length).
Ant.... how do you fit your orthotics into your boots? I was told to wear mine on top of the stock insert, but there's not enough room in my boot to do that. They're great in my regular shoes, I thought they might actually help in my ski boots. I need new footbeds this year and thought I might be able to kill 2 birds with 1 stone.

The orthotics are made out of fiberglass with a heel post. Fits the foot well, don't know if they're to stiff to ski on.
post #38 of 49
Yeah, mine are some kind of hard opaque plastic stuff, with quite big heel posts. They are made to flex a bit when I walk...not ideal for ski boots, but the difference they make is phenomenal. I just poke them into my boots. Tried them without the stock sole insert, but found I got a better fit if I left the stock insole in the boots. Also the heel post has dug into the insert, helping to anchor it a bit (it used to slide back and forth a bit!).
post #39 of 49
Well I would try to direct this conversation back to what Bob said. Skiing and walking running etc are dramaticly different and to make a foot bed for walking and stuff it into a ski boot or vise versa could possibly improve what ever situation you might be dealing with but to expect them to work seamlessly should be discouraged. This is exactly what this industry has grown to expect, that walking foot beds and skiing foot beds are the same when their purposes are very different. It has long been my belief that if we got the foot right inside the boot, we would not need any external canting. At least not to fix rotational situations created by pronation. If you are trying to help with tibial curvature that is another problem all together.

diski are you anywhere near Jyndabyne? See Peter Clark Jyndabyne Sports. at least for your ski boots. If you ever get to the states and visit Aspen I'll give you a go. I like a good challenge.
post #40 of 49
Thanks Mosh.....
No not near Jindy.... but I do ski near there & was going to try Peter Clark for the boots.... but I really wanted the orthotic first......

I'd seriously consider a trip to aspen - because they are so helpful re the disabled skiing bit...... will work on it.....
post #41 of 49
IF you are going there for boots give him a chance to help you with your feet he and his crew are extreemly talented with the foot beds as well. I had a chance to meet with him and we spoke at length about our philosophical positions. We see the world through similar colored lenses. You might just call him and drill him for info on how he would be able to help out. I know you will get on with him he is a high quality blouke. Good luck Feet are tricky there is no one answer that will work with everyone you need to deal with each person individualy. Apparently you have troublesome feet so don't just settle you probably know what you don't want by what you have already tried.
post #42 of 49
Negative on the footbeds - sorry but I believe they did some for ant that DID NOT WORK...... my feet are probably trickier (well the right one - left is easier than right).......

Pretty simply put - you can't cast my feet unless the legs are lyin g on table with only feet off the end.....

I have had 2 attempts at weighted/semi-weighted casting & they simply don't work....

1) Sorefoot.... no correction seemed to happen with them at all

2) Wild Willies(??) in whistler.... seated..... left foot is tolerable - right is useless.....

To put it simply I can actually feel my lower leg being twisted by the boot because the ankle is not aligned.... & I don't like it... also I cannot really use my feet well like this....

I am now quite convinced that the podiatrist was right all along & foot must be cast unweighted..... - YES it makes for an uncomfortable footbed sole of foot wise - BECAUSE it reflects my unweighted foot - not the pressured one.... BUT - the discomfort from that is minor compared to the discomfort of badly aligned leg.....
post #43 of 49
I put them in my rollerblades today for the first time...
Felt different, but better.
post #44 of 49
I had footbeds made this year when I got new boots. I had some qualms, as my pod had explained what happens the minute any weight is put on the foot...all the problems flare into life. My qualms were realised, the footbeds are probably great for holding the foot, but caused my achilles to start hurting and my balance and control went out the window. Um, Mosh!

My walking orthotics are probably as unsuitable as you can get for skiing, as the arch bit is hollow, they are designed to flex with a walking motion and then spring back, and they slide back and forth a bit too. But they improve my skiing tremendously, my balance is 100% better, and my achilles doesn't hurt when they are under my feet.
post #45 of 49
Great! Every one is a unique puzzle. enjoy using your foot beds, it sounds like you have made great efforts to find what makes you enjoy skiing that is what it is all about.

My earlier comments were general statements and I still feel strongly that if you are dealing with a, and lets get this part clear. "A Normal Healthy Foot" not a foot with some preexisting conditions that Doctors should be dealing with. In situations like this simply trying to improve skiing performance we should not simply rely on a walking foot bed but rather make a foot bed specificly for the sport in question.

If you are dealing with other things then you may just have to find a happy medium between comfort and performance.

Oh and one other thing as a foot bed geek, I think it is emensly important, if you had less than successful experience with someone that worked on your boots or foot beds. You should by all means let that person know, and you should tell them why. You don't have to be nasty about it but you should share your experience with this person. Feedback is very important and it helps the industry as a whole improve. If you don't like it and you don't say anything they will assume that you loved their work. I wish people would first go back to where they got the work done and explain that it just was not right and what they were feeling on snow. If the person that you are working with understands skiing they should be able to make simple adjustments to make your set up better for you. Foot beds, and boot work in general is a touchy thing and we are working with many variables at once, they do require some adjustments some times. You should not have to adjust everyone but nobody is perfect all the time.
post #46 of 49
The person knew, as I took the boots back regularly during the season to have them worked on. I expressed my qualms before agreeing to have them done, and they were realised. The minute he began making them, and was pressing my feet down into the molds, I realised it wasn't going to be a success.
post #47 of 49
Yep Mosh - the bit that annoys me is not that it didn't work - but that I told them before hand that I had doubts that it would work..... I explained that my foot is EXTREMELY unstable.... they swore they could deal with it.... & failed badly....

My orthotics have 9/10 correction - you pretty much can't get a more unstable "healthy" foot (ie all the bits there, no major breaks, nerves work(mostly) etc...)

I would now want a "try before you buy" option to even think about trying again on the footbed bit (Sorefoot went & withdrfew from Oz so returning is not an option)
post #48 of 49
Also don't know how it works there - but doctors here generally know SFA about feet stuff..... I have never seen such messes as the ingrown toenails dealt with by country surgeons.... (try 16y.o healthy male with problems 2 years later still from the surgery - to "hobble" stage)

Our podiatrists can be seen without referral..... the surgical podiatrists can even access a fair range of drugs & the others a limited range.....
post #49 of 49
OH - & remember that my instructor returned me to Sorefoot twice for "canting checks" because I was having so much trouble with the footbeds & boots as purchased from Sorefoot originally.....
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